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 Posted: Nov 23, 2015 07:06PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Mini

Swindrum, there is no such thing as a fresh air heater in a 1960 Mini (factory supplied).  All early Minis came with a recirculating heater, ie, they recirculated the air inside the cabin and blew it across the heater core/matrix.  It wasn't until later (I am almost certain) it was in 1961 for the 1962 model year changes, that they put the round hole in the bulkhead and made the fresh air heater that Cranium shows as an option.  If you got the standard recirculating heater then they simply put a blanking plate over the hole.  The fresh air heater of this era had the blower motor (snail) installed on the inner fender/wing on the R/H side.  Most 61+ cars will have 4 holes there where the panel was manufactured for this snail long after they changed to the other type of fresh air heater.

My March 61 car has the snail heater under the hood and the same heater box as pictured by Cranium

 

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 Posted: Nov 23, 2015 04:20PM
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Ashley it would be nice to have a way to get in touch with you.

 Posted: Jun 14, 2015 06:36AM
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Hi I may have the springs, I make the SMITHS HEATER BLOWER UNIT and the heater box clips

Regards Ashley Hinton

 Posted: Oct 11, 2011 01:15PM
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Hey!

Quit showing people all my dirty old parts.  Nobody wants to see that!!

 Posted: Oct 4, 2011 03:46PM
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I agree with the "bring a rag technique".  Familair also with  "get out" open valve Technique. Both work for all seasons.

My rheostat also died ,. replaced with toggle switch = full on. Defrosts and heats nicely!

 Posted: Oct 4, 2011 02:37PM
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On a '59 one carries a rag and stuffs it in the slot to get defrosting to work.

Both the early types also had no moveable heater valve on the cyl. head or a control for same on the dash.  On the head there should be a simple open/shut valve operated manually (get out, open hood, move the arm)and the heater switch is a rheostat that controls the fan speed.  Never saw any use for any speed except full.

 Posted: Oct 3, 2011 09:56PM
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Swindrum, According to the parts books, there are 2 different types of what you are calling "the more common type".  They are classified as 2.8KW and 4KW.  As yours is supposed to be the 4KW type, I will tell you it has the external snail type blower and the only thing inside the heater box is the matrix/core.  On the 2.8KW one, it has a small squirrel cage blower motor inside the box along with the matrix.  Hope that makes sense.

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 Posted: Oct 3, 2011 12:28PM
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I'll look at my heritage when I get home, but 4kw, does not sound familiar.

I think it read "fresh air heater" under the "options" heading.

BTW, mine is a 1962 Austin Cooper (997) LHD, US Export.

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 Posted: Oct 3, 2011 10:40AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Mini

Swindrum, there is no such thing as a fresh air heater in a 1960 Mini (factory supplied).  All early Minis came with a recirculating heater, ie, they recirculated the air inside the cabin and blew it across the heater core/matrix.  It wasn't until later (I am almost certain) it was in 1961 for the 1962 model year changes, that they put the round hole in the bulkhead and made the fresh air heater that Cranium shows as an option.  If you got the standard recirculating heater then they simply put a blanking plate over the hole.  The fresh air heater of this era had the blower motor (snail) installed on the inner fender/wing on the R/H side.  Most 61+ cars will have 4 holes there where the panel was manufactured for this snail long after they changed to the other type of fresh air heater.

Ok, I was right in thinking that the 1960 would have had the "fug-stirrer" heater...

My question... I have a July 63 Cooper, would it have come with a heater like Cranium has, or should it have the later MK1 Heater that looks to be more common? The boxes of bits I have contains both heaters. The Heritage certificate states that it is a "4kw heater".

 

Sean Windrum

1996 MGF VVC
1970 1275 GT Racer
66 Austin Countryman
63 997 Cooper (Under Construction)
63 MG 1100

 

 Posted: Oct 3, 2011 07:12AM
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I had my core cleaned and pressure tested by a local radiator shop. It's all good to go.

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 Posted: Oct 2, 2011 08:30AM
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Originally Posted by jedduh01
I really cant see how the NON flap heater will work. but EHH its not my car!! 

Don't worry they work just fine - for a "fug-stirrer" that is.

But the type Cranium shows was the BEST heater I ever had in a mini - real nuclear power.

Just make sure the matrix is fully de-scaled before you assemble.

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 Posted: Sep 28, 2011 04:51PM
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Thanks TO ALL for the replies and informaiton.  That link to the MK 1 Register really helped clarify Flap and No flap EARLY style heaters.

Basically My heater in my 63 is an early style with a flap... works reasonably well (down to about 28 degrees will keep 80%windscreen defrosted). The car we are working on putting back together is a LATE LATE 59 - Early 60 body. So ithe body has the later style 60's drip rails and such, but it appears to be a heater box without a flap.

 I really cant see how the NON flap heater will work. but EHH its not my car!! IT might need some stuffing to help direct some heat up to the top defrosters. In his tear down. He didnt keep the tubes either that run up to the defroster.. so going to have to find something there to plumb up. His box also looks like it has the connection points for a flap. butno parts.. No spring, no flap.. Not going to worry about it.

Just for reference - Here is what we are working with.  Ive now dis assembled it. and will be blasting and painting to make nice again.

 

The other nice thing will be, upon re assembly. Ill just flip the core over.. as he converted the car to RHD. From LHD.. get the tubes coming out the proper side of the car will be EASY peasy

 Posted: Sep 28, 2011 04:18PM
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Swindrum, there is no such thing as a fresh air heater in a 1960 Mini (factory supplied).  All early Minis came with a recirculating heater, ie, they recirculated the air inside the cabin and blew it across the heater core/matrix.  It wasn't until later (I am almost certain) it was in 1961 for the 1962 model year changes, that they put the round hole in the bulkhead and made the fresh air heater that Cranium shows as an option.  If you got the standard recirculating heater then they simply put a blanking plate over the hole.  The fresh air heater of this era had the blower motor (snail) installed on the inner fender/wing on the R/H side.  Most 61+ cars will have 4 holes there where the panel was manufactured for this snail long after they changed to the other type of fresh air heater.

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 Posted: Sep 28, 2011 02:14PM
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Some dated diagrams here:
//www.somerfordmini.co.uk/eshop/index.php?main_page=page&id=98

 //www.somerfordmini.co.uk/eshop/index.php?main_page=page&id=100

 

 

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 Posted: Sep 28, 2011 01:41PM
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So... If a 1960 has an early fresh air heater and a 1963 has an early fresh air heater, when was the change-over to the 2nd style fresh air heater?

Sean Windrum

1996 MGF VVC
1970 1275 GT Racer
66 Austin Countryman
63 997 Cooper (Under Construction)
63 MG 1100

 

 Posted: Sep 28, 2011 01:14PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cup Cake

Its the same heater that is in all Minis except for really early ones therefore nothing special so there should be lots available used. Starting in the mid 70s there was a control panel with a horizontal control lever that opened the flap with a lever mechanism.

The horizontal control came before the mid 70's I believe...maybe 69?
Out of interest...here is an early heater I sold last year


I think originaly supplied for NZ or AU cars

 

 

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 Posted: Sep 28, 2011 12:53PM
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Actually, with a reciculating heater, the earlier 1960 didnt have the flap, I thought mine was missing as well for a long time then I read the 1959 mini register on //www.1959miniregister.com/the-1959-mini/interior-changes/ about half way down the page, "Early heaters had no flap to direct all the air to the demisters as in left picture." some of the later ones are shown below it "Later heaters were fitted with a flap to direct air to car or demister in 1960"

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 Posted: Sep 28, 2011 12:03PM
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Jedduh01, you have the early recirculating heater. Not sure where to get parts from.

I have the early fresh air heater, with the snail blower above the clutch in the engine bay. Here is my early fresh air heater, all cleaned up and put together.

Same type of thing ,with a simple door on the bottom you open, and it heats your feet. you close the door, and air is forced to the demisters..

I assume the heater core you bought is for the fresh air heater like mine, in the first picture.

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 Posted: Sep 28, 2011 11:21AM
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CupCake:  Im pretty sure the heater box we have is the " early one" as you describe.   My friend purchased a mk1/mk2 heater core, but the core is jsut TOO Small.

 

 I FINALLY found one formerly for sale. EBAY.AU...for reference.

//www.ebay.com.au/itm/Early-Mk1-Mini-Van-Heater-/320739137980

Were in need of the flap and spring that are on the front....

 

 Any ideas??

 

 

 Posted: Sep 28, 2011 11:11AM
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Its the same heater that is in all Minis except for really early ones therefore nothing special so there should be lots available used. Starting in the mid 70s there was a control panel with a horizontal control lever that opened the flap with a lever mechanism. Later ones had twin impeller fans which blow way more air as well. Single impeller MkI ones are pretty useless in my opinion especially if you ahve to defrost. Macmanron can powder coat wrinkle finish and silk screen on new ltters if yours is rusty. If uour knob is busted it is the same as on 80s Dodge/Plymouth Minivans so check with your wrecker. I'lll give you a core if you need one.

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