Tracing a New Zealand Mini's History
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Why would you think they would have any relevance to a vehicle built 20 years... or more likely 30 years... before?
Get real
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I noticed your comment that the CKD minis went as like parts for many vehicles in boxes, not as crated as whole auto units. So one box would have the VIN plate on the front body piece? Or would they attached pre-stamped VIN plates as they built them?
I have a Austin Mini MK that was shipped to New Zealand in June 1967. It was first titled in 1968. Have you had any experience with tryiing to correct a title to its manufacture/shipping date instead of its first registration date?
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Lou
CKD kits shipped to Oz did not have UK ID plates (neither FE, Chassis or Body Number). Oz ID places were added (using Oz serial/sequence numbers).
UK engine numbers were retained but the plates were removed and attached with with a piece of wire to the (I think) top rad hose. The UK number was then stamped into the engine block where he plate would have been. "Removable" ID plates were illegal in OZ . My UK cars use the body number as the identifier for registration as the plate that carries it is welded to the body.
Cheers, Ian
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I noticed your comment that the CKD minis went as like parts for many vehicles in boxes, not as crated as whole auto units. So one box would have the VIN plate on the front body piece? Or would they attached pre-stamped VIN plates as they built them?
I have a Austin Mini MK that was shipped to New Zealand in June 1967. It was first titled in 1968. Have you had any experience with tryiing to correct a title to its manufacture/shipping date instead of its first registration date?
thanks,
Lou
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Your car is Oz built with not much UK content. Does the engine have bolt on side covers at the back of the block???
Cheers, Ian
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Join this group and ask them. They should be the source of information you are looking for.
If it's not Scottish....it's crap! (Cry of the Mini Tartan Owners' Clan)
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I have a New Zealand Morris Mini Panel Van and was wondering if anyone has ever done research to figure out the history of their car. I can go back two previous owners but the trail stops there. Please let me know if you have hints on ways to trace back further.
Brett
I hope I can trace mine too since it is a matching numbers Clubman GT from NZ
*1970 Morris Mini K (AUS) * 1973 Clubman GT (AUS) *
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I know Matt, I went up to his 50th birthday last year.
He has now reopened Readspeed (was his dad's Mini parts & repair business) in a new location in Brisbane. I wish him good luck with the venture.
Kevin G
1360 power- Morris 1300 auto block, S crank & rods, Russell Engineering RE282 sprint cam, over 125HP at crank, 86.6HP at the wheels @7000+.
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I know Matt but I have never met him. A great Mini family.
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catalina park.. do you ever see Madd matt Read?/ I knew his dad was THE expert for Aus Minis, mokes..
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That tag is nothing like an Australian Van number. NZ may have changed the number to suit themselves but I can't really see it. They didn't with other models that were imported from Aus.
NZ did sometimes use blank alloy plates with just the Australian number stamped directly onto it.
The Australian van numbers work like this...
From 71 to Jan 73 the prefix was YJBAV6R 501 (the car number would be between 501 and about 3500)
From 73 to March 78 the prefix was 021A2V1M10 and later 021G2V1M09 (the car number would be between 501 and around 7900)
From March 78 to Oct 78 the prefix was XNPFB18Y 101001 (the car number would be between 101001 and around 104300)
Your number XAV1-48107 looks like it is kind of related to the 73 to 78 prefix code. But the numbers are still way too high.
Is there a number stamped directly to the radiator shroud/ inner fender panel? Something along the lines of 021A2V1M10 1234.
There may also be a number stamped on the bulkhead near the master cylinders (or where the master cylinders live on a RHD car) This number will probably be like 021 12345.
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Is it the one from the avatar in your profile?
The image is low resolution, but It's clearly a clubman front van. They were only made in Australia. It is likely this one was either a fully assemblied Mini from Australia, or a CKD.
In either case, BMH certificate will not help.
Miguel
I finally figured out how to upload a new profile picture. It is definitely Australian, that is why I am having problems tracking information about it down.
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The problem with checking on the website www.carjam.co.nz is that my VIN seems to be 10 digits long. I am guessing that this isn't the original VIN tag that ame with the vehicle. Would anyone actually know what this tag is? This tag is located next to the radiator.
Is it just someone re-VINing the car for export to the states?
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All I know for sure is the BMHT people didn't know anything about my 1968 Riley Elf MkIII other than it was a CKD car sent to New Zealand. So, I know my Elf was a CKD car. It was built in the New Plymouth plant, and first sold at Moller Motors in Auckland, and its first owner was a lady named Eunice June Potter. All that information was acquired through the New Zealand Transport Agency....NOT BMHT.
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catalina park.. I have imported and sold 500 plus minis in last 15 years.. this might be the reason..
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captain. 61.. you are mistaken.. I have a BMHT cert on 970 Cooper that went to NZ as CKD.. can fax you copy of this..
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ok. here is the skinny.. BMHT cert # HT/2001/9558. Morris mini cooper Mark 1 ( 997cc). Colour Tartan red/black rood. trim red and gold/grey Car /Chassis #KA2S4/300705 , engine @ 9FSAH/12862 . DU 8755.. date of build 17 sept 62.. date of despatch 20 sept Destination ( dealer) NEW ZEALAND.. date of BMTH issue 5 Dec 2001.. to ME.. ps NZ reg was DU 8755 . I bought this from lizzy reese in christchurch , NZ NOW would any of you arm chair experts.. NON believers want any thing else??
First you said it was a 970 and then you said it was a CKD. It turns out to be neither.
And you wonder why we were nonbelievers?
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ok. here is the skinny.. BMHT cert # HT/2001/9558. Morris mini cooper Mark 1 ( 997cc). Colour Tartan red/black rood. trim red and gold/grey Car /Chassis #KA2S4/300705 , engine @ 9FSAH/12862 . DU 8755.. date of build 17 sept 62.. date of despatch 20 sept Destination ( dealer) NEW ZEALAND.. date of BMTH issue 5 Dec 2001.. to ME.. ps NZ reg was DU 8755 . I bought this from lizzy reese in christchurch , NZ NOW would any of you arm chair experts.. NON believers want any thing else??
So .. a UK built car shipped to NZ 3 days after being built??? Pretty much mirrors my 1071.... not CKD at all... which is what we were questioning...
Obviously such a car would have a build record accessible to Heritage...
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ok. here is the skinny.. BMHT cert # HT/2001/9558. Morris mini cooper Mark 1 ( 997cc). Colour Tartan red/black rood. trim red and gold/grey Car /Chassis #KA2S4/300705 , engine @ 9FSAH/12862 . DU 8755.. date of build 17 sept 62.. date of despatch 20 sept Destination ( dealer) NEW ZEALAND.. date of BMTH issue 5 Dec 2001.. to ME.. ps NZ reg was DU 8755 . I bought this from lizzy reese in christchurch , NZ NOW would any of you arm chair experts.. NON believers want any thing else??
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