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 Posted: Mar 23, 2015 10:19AM
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Here is where we stand as of Sunday night, not as stuck as before but still stuck.  I can't wait to do the side with a radiator in the way. 

 

Any any tricks to manuver this out?

As i posted, if you want to save the cone loosen the upper arm and push the mounting pin out so one side releases then there should be enough room to remove it. Just remember if you are re using the knuckles they will be just as seized and you may end up destroying the cone anyway.

I pre-emtively bought new knuckles, assuming that they would be fused to the cones!

'73 Innocenti Mini (non-export)

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 Posted: Mar 23, 2015 05:25AM
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Here is where we stand as of Sunday night, not as stuck as before but still stuck.  I can't wait to do the side with a radiator in the way. 

 

Any any tricks to manuver this out?

As i posted, if you want to save the cone loosen the upper arm and push the mounting pin out so one side releases then there should be enough room to remove it. Just remember if you are re using the knuckles they will be just as seized and you may end up destroying the cone anyway.

If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.

 Posted: Mar 22, 2015 07:06PM
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Pulling the rad is easy peasy and may save you some grief getting at the upper arm nut/s and bolt.

As for removing the trumpet/spring......you need to get your tongue in just the right position.

 

"Everybody should own a MINI at some point, or you are incomplete as a human being" - James May

"WET COOPER", Partsguy1 (Terry Snell of Penticton BC ) - Could you send the money for the unpaid parts and court fees.
Ordered so by a Judge

 

 

 

 Posted: Mar 22, 2015 05:53PM
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Here is where we stand as of Sunday night, not as stuck as before but still stuck.  I can't wait to do the side with a radiator in the way. 

 

Any any tricks to manuver this out?

'73 Innocenti Mini (non-export)

Morristown, NJ

 Posted: Mar 22, 2015 04:54PM
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You need to fix/replace this

It should fit snug and follow the shape of the arm

Thanks for the info. Unless this is crucial I will tackle it after the suspension and brakes.

i got the rubber cone to seperate from the top of the subframe tower, but it is still fused to the cone.  I put some penetrating oil on it to get it apart.  But now that it is loose I should be able to get a better angle for the hammer 

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 Posted: Mar 22, 2015 04:47PM
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You need to fix/replace this

It should fit snug and follow the shape of the arm

 

"Everybody should own a MINI at some point, or you are incomplete as a human being" - James May

"WET COOPER", Partsguy1 (Terry Snell of Penticton BC ) - Could you send the money for the unpaid parts and court fees.
Ordered so by a Judge

 

 

 

 Posted: Mar 22, 2015 12:55PM
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Not to lengthen your list of repairs but judging by the angle the clutch rod is at it looks like it may have wear on the clevis pins or the ball on the end of the arm itself, also if you have not been lubricating things the slave rod looks damp with fluid.

Regarding getting the fused together pieces apart if you are using your trumpets again and not using Hi Lo's you may have to remove the upper arm (or loosen up one side at least) and remove them in one piece, once out soak them with penetrating fluid and beat on them. Your other option is to cut them in half to get them out and use new ones or HI LO's which a lot of people use with new cones as they are high when installed and settle after a while.

If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.

 Posted: Mar 22, 2015 12:22PM
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Updates!

  1. I finally got the bearings out.  That metal "lip" was part of the old oil seal and once i realized that i was able to tap it out.  lan is to drop off the hub, new bearings, and balljoints to a local mechanic to install.  I'll never get them in correctly with the tools i have.
  2. The dreaded rubber spings.  I rented the compression tool from MiniMania. These are REALLY old, they are the imprerial threaded versions.  I have new ones ready to go along with HILOs, but they are damn near fused together.  I've tried wedging a screw driver between them from the engine compartment, but no luck.
  3. I've also got new steering rod ends and new heavey duty adjustable tie rods.  I figured, might as well right!?

'73 Innocenti Mini (non-export)

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 Posted: Mar 17, 2015 06:19AM
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I see nothing wrong with that. I'm sure others won't agree.

I figure once i reinstall one set of wheel bearings i can do the other side and i will be a pro at it!

'73 Innocenti Mini (non-export)

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 Posted: Mar 17, 2015 06:03AM
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I see nothing wrong with that. I'm sure others won't agree.

 Posted: Mar 17, 2015 05:14AM
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So are you only changing out the bearings on one side? I see the bearings being removed are balls and replace with rollers. Is the other side also balls or rollers? I'm with jedduh if they're not bad just repack.

I assume the other side is balls.  I've already bought the roller bearings, so since I had the thing apart i was going to upgrade the bearings.  Is there anything wrong with having roller on one side and ball on the other?

 

I'll get back to work on it this weekend.

'73 Innocenti Mini (non-export)

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 Posted: Mar 17, 2015 02:12AM
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So are you only changing out the bearings on one side? I see the bearings being removed are balls and replace with rollers. Is the other side also balls or rollers? I'm with jedduh if they're not bad just repack.

 Posted: Mar 16, 2015 11:18AM
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There are a couple of pics, diagrams and simple explanation on this thread

 

 

"Everybody should own a MINI at some point, or you are incomplete as a human being" - James May

"WET COOPER", Partsguy1 (Terry Snell of Penticton BC ) - Could you send the money for the unpaid parts and court fees.
Ordered so by a Judge

 

 

 

 Posted: Mar 16, 2015 11:10AM
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Is a drift a special tool?  I saw some on Amazon made of brass for gun maintenance. I assume it is brass so it doesn't mar the metal hub.  would a flat head screw driver work?

Also, should I be able to take the bearings out of the wheels side of the hub? Or is that flange/ridge there as a safety stop?

You can use a regular drift just be careful not to mar up the inside of the hub.

Each bearing and race comes out of its respective side, (inside one comes out of the inside of the hub and the outside one comes out of the outside of the hub).

Alright i will use the set of steel punch i already own and just be careful with them.

 

I'm on the road right now, so i can't go look/play with it, but I still don't follow how i can take the outside brearing out past the metal lip.  RIght now the bearing is already dislodged and it won't come through that side. Maybe it will make more sense on Satuday when I get the spaces are such out.  The new timkin bearings looks very nice.

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 Posted: Mar 16, 2015 07:01AM
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Is a drift a special tool?  I saw some on Amazon made of brass for gun maintenance. I assume it is brass so it doesn't mar the metal hub.  would a flat head screw driver work?

Also, should I be able to take the bearings out of the wheels side of the hub? Or is that flange/ridge there as a safety stop?

You can use a regular drift just be careful not to mar up the inside of the hub.

Each bearing and race comes out of its respective side, (inside one comes out of the inside of the hub and the outside one comes out of the outside of the hub).

If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.

 Posted: Mar 15, 2015 06:15PM
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Frankly, on the evidence presented in the photos.. I wouldn't bother with any of it.

The rack gaiter is worn but shows no sign of letting the oil out ... yet.  Although, its probably worth checking if there is any oil inside...

The ball joints - and the upper arm pivots show typical signs of regular greasing and maintenance.  The knuckle joints do need to have their rubber boots pulled down and clipped over the ridges in the buckets (clean out the debris on top of the ball first) - but seem quite healthy otherwise.

The inner tie rod bush is still quite intact so I would check the front before making a decision. 

The steering tie rod end boot is cactus ...however, if there's no untoward movement in the joint, then it will probably last for years like this. (IME the boots come as part of the rod end and are not separatley serviceable.)..

Only you know if there is enough actual movement/wear in the various parts that warrant their replacement.  The photos don't tell us much.

Cheers, Ian

 Posted: Mar 15, 2015 06:02PM
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Is a drift a special tool?  I saw some on Amazon made of brass for gun maintenance. I assume it is brass so it doesn't mar the metal hub.  would a flat head screw driver work?

Also, should I be able to take the bearings out of the wheels side of the hub? Or is that flange/ridge there as a safety stop?

'73 Innocenti Mini (non-export)

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 Posted: Mar 15, 2015 05:58PM
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The outer race is still in...on the side you've removed the bearing.  Knock it out with a drift from the otherside using the "gap's" ....the 1/4" or so notches you see across from each other.....do the same from the other side.

There is a flange/ridge that is cast into the hub.....that is what the outer race seats against

 

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"WET COOPER", Partsguy1 (Terry Snell of Penticton BC ) - Could you send the money for the unpaid parts and court fees.
Ordered so by a Judge

 

 

 

 Posted: Mar 15, 2015 05:34PM
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Hey All,

 

Help me out here.  I got the engine side bearings out, but the wheel side is proving difficult. Photos are attached.  Are both bearings suppose to comout out on the engine side?  On the tire side there seems to be a metal lip.  I seem to be about halfway there. 

'73 Innocenti Mini (non-export)

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 Posted: Mar 15, 2015 12:50PM
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***edit***

are this the bushings thT mount to the tie rods near the front bumper?

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i would love them, but I am flying out Monday morning.  You won't be there at 530am will you? :-)

 

let me me see if my dad can meet you after he drops me off at the airport.  Email me? [email protected]

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