A+ SPi Leak Down Test. Confused
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Thanks Jedd,
I think that is the next course. Pull the head. Calver is sending me new seals regardless. Talked to supplier and they "sort of" agreed that the latest batch of seals they have seen are not the "same" as they used to be. The tension springs are not as good and the hole may just be too larger. WONDERFUL!!!
Still, with the head off, I will check the bores for hone marks and glazing. If I see anything out of the ordinary, its going to a shop to examine and see what I should I do. Rehone and new rings, bore out and new piston/rings, whatever. The last machinist that did the work vanished like a fart in the wind so I am not sure how much I trust his work. Found a new guy that comes insanely recommended.
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Right, i assumed I wasnt at TDC on the cylinders when they were being moved. I readjusted to TDC and retested. That is what took me some time. I mean, I can try and stick my dial gauge through the plug hole and get a reading next time. Is it ok to go past TDC and/or rock it a bit to and from to get it perfect? I have heard one say no way. it messes up the rings seating. Another said that you need to do it that to get the rings to seat correctly. God bless the interwebs and all their many answers:-)
With each test I did I would do exactly what is needed. I listened to the inlet with my injection throttle open, ran around to the exhaust exit to listen to the exhaust. I carried a fuel line to stick into my ear to me sure. As stated, I only heard air coming from the crankcase...which is good as this head is almost new.
When I start the car cold, it does smoke but not a lot. Start and leave at idle and I dont think I see any but I'll check that. Give it a little rev and you do see some smoke but not all the time. Its cold here so from in the car sometimes it just could be from that. Usually working by myself.
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Your smoke screen - and "blow By " hearing in the craank case are indicative of not well sealing piston rings... Head comes off- make sure there is still clear hone hash marks in the cyl - In that mileage the hone hatching should still be seen... If its glazed up - I would be sceptical of piston ring sealing- or mabye even ring gap...
If the head comes off- Inspect the valve seals - Easy to replace- but also check the valve seal height-- ( recient thread showed valve seals got smushed unnder the valve cap because the valves were either too short- or the valve guide was too tall ( i honestly dont remember the thread) but that crash ruined the seals - and the person had to re evaluate his setup to ensure the valves wont crash futher.
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If you are not getting valve guide smoke on start up your valve guide seals should be ok.
It is normal for the air pressure to want to push the piston down. You can have decent compression figures with bad oil control rings. The test needs to be done with the piston at TDC for best results.
If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.
Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.
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Thanks. My leak down tester is a Moroso 89600 - Moroso Compression Tester. Borrowered from a friend and was never used before. It is a single gauge config. I set me compressor output to 90psi and then zeroed out the gauge on the leakdown. The gauge itself say min of 80 and a max of 100 so I went with 100psi
As I posted, it took me a few tries as I would set it all up and then plug the air in and get 100% leakage. Would recheck and see that the piston was not at TDC. Turns out the hit of 90psi was actually compressing the piston back down the cylinder. I thought that very odd.
Where is the best place to listen for air in the crankcase? I used the flywheel and timing chain cover breathers. Would the dipstick hole have been better? Also, I did not put any drops of oil in before each test as I did have the motor warm and running no more then an hour or so before. Assume there should be oil still present, correct?
The valve seal thing seems to easy. Calver reported that he has heard this from a couple other customers lately which is what prompted him to ask the manufacture for details. One of the main Mini dealers. I am currently having a similar problem with my timing chain. I bought a very nice veneer timing setup from Swiftune, only to have the chain stretch in just 1200 miles. I had to buy a replacement from them (yes, I had to pay) and the same seems to have happened. What is going on with these products!! It doesnt pay to cost cut. Rest assured that my next chain will be a IWIS.
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Before you tear into anything why don't you put air pressure to each cylinder (with both valves closed) you will see where the leakage if any is, if it leaks through the oil cap the rings are suspect.
His leak down test is the same thing (with a gauge) and he did report hearing air leaking into the block.
66coop, is your leak down tester homemade or purchased? One gauge or two? Why 90 PSI and not 100?
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Before you tear into anything why don't you put air pressure to each cylinder (with both valves closed) you will see where the leakage if any is, if it leaks through the oil cap the rings are suspect.
If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.
Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.
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Update:
I actually just heard back from Calver. He thinks it might be valve seals. Seems the supplier or them has changed to a worse quality and he has had a few customers having issues with them failing. I told him about the massive smoke screen I left over the summer, blasting down hill in 3rd for a decent bit and then hitting the throttle. Sounds like valve seals or guides. Given that the head is new and he knows the guides are good, thinks the seals could be it. Said the leak-down test could be not super accurate and he wouldnt instantly rule it bad.
I would LOVE to believe this. Oh how easy a solution but it never is that easy for me. If it is however, I will have to pull the head anyway. So, while I have the head off, what can I do to rule out anything else? Should I pull the whole motor and bring it to a shop to have the bores checked? The ring gaps checks? Would hate to pull the head, replace the seals and then have that no be it and then wonder what else.
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My car has given me nothing put problems lately. I am casing (at least I think) a few things at once, which is never good. The main one is the oil consumption. This motor was rebuilt (brand new crank, all bearings, piston, rings, etc) less then 3000 miles ago. Broke it in properely (read a million ways to go about it) with proper oil and break in additive. It has only had VR-1 20/50 in it as well. The motor was eating oil at a rate of a quart every 300 miles or so. I had Keith Calver make me a head about 1000 miles ago, hoping that worn valve guides were part of the issue (I also have wanted a head since I bought the car. haha). Maybe it helped maybe not but currently the motor is eating oil again and smoking. I notice the smoke after idling and taking off, spirited driving and on downhill engine breaking with throttle blips. Time to get more answers. Compression test and leak down.
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