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 Posted: Jun 16, 2017 07:40AM
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Our 95 SPI JDM has the side rad because they need to have the A/C compressor mounted and all the associated plumbing. The only way it fits is if it stays in the "wing" (fender).

If it's not Scottish....it's crap! (Cry of the Mini Tartan Owners' Clan)

 Posted: Jun 16, 2017 06:20AM
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mini mover. yes all the Jap specks minis only had SPI.. and I think some had front mounted rads for some reason.. ?? this might have been an aftermarket option..?? later bc

 Posted: Jun 16, 2017 04:36AM
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If Malsal were not playing International Jet Setter he would answer this in detail. lOL

Big AL

austinmorris@xplornet.ca

Niagara Ontario Canada

 Posted: Jun 16, 2017 04:06AM
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That is an excellent resource C. However, didn't the Japanese market cars have SPI systems all the way to the end of production? I think my 1997 is SPI.

 Posted: Jun 15, 2017 06:26PM
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A little clean up on some earlier postings. These should be pretty close. 
SPi first introduce in Oct 1991.
998 (always carb) died in 1992
When the 998 died a carb'd 1275 took over. HIF38.
1275 carb died by August 1994.
SPi died August 1996.
MPi came out in Oct 1996.

 Posted: Jun 15, 2017 12:39PM
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+2.. you might get an ICI  to do this.. but bet cost would be $20 large.. I think there is one in LA.   later bc

 Posted: Jun 15, 2017 12:26PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Mini
If you really want to throw $5 large away, go ahead. There's no way you will ever get that registered in California. Can't be done. Ask the company wanting the $5 large if they guarantee that you can get it registered? Are they willing to give you the money back if you can't? If they say no, then run away and sell the Mini.


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  ~ 30 minutes in a Mini is more therapeutic than 3 sessions @ the shrink. ~

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 Posted: Jun 15, 2017 11:14AM
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I believe the last mini with carbureation would have been the 1993 mini Rio by Rover

Correct me if lam wrong

Big AL

austinmorris@xplornet.ca

Niagara Ontario Canada

 Posted: Jun 15, 2017 07:43AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CooperTune
. . . you mention an ECU and being a 998. I have never seen a injected 998. . . (CTR)

I was thinking the same thing. I'm sure the 1275 engines were the only Minis with fuel injection. 1991 was the transition year, where MPI was introduced, but the 998 was phased out in favor of the 1275. I doubt the car in question has an ECU.

From work I've done with CARB in the past, the EVAP system will purely deal with evaporative emissions. They would want the fuel tank to be a non-permeable material (steel is good), but they'd want the vent to go through a carbon canister to absorb fuel vapor. The canister would then have to be connected to the inlet manifold, possibly with a solenoid valve, to allow the carbon canister to be cleared of fuel vapor when the engine starts, and to actively recover fuel vapor from the tank while the engine is running. They're also going to want a non-vented fuel cap. This bit is relatively easy and they can used pre-certified components and fuel tank materials to meet the requirement. None of this needs an ECU of any kind.

But that's just the fuel tank. The biggest issue you're going to have is the engine. The A-series engine does not have a certification. An evaporative certification on an engine series is a HUGE undertaking. You'd need several engine 'samples' and a certified emissions lab to undertake a test which takes months. An engine with a carburetor is going to find it very difficult to pass the test, as the fuel in the jet is always exposed to atmosphere.

On top of this, I'm pretty sure CARB would want exhaust emissions certification for the A-series engine particular to the model year of your car. Again, this doesn't exist, so you'd need to go back to the emissions lab and have them run an exhaust emissions test to verify that the engine meets the exhaust emissions specification. You'd probably have to do your own testing before hand to make sure the engine is even capable of meeting the exhaust emissions standard, which it may not be. The place you've found who thinks they can get your car emissions legal probably doesn't realize that there isn't any engine data for our cars in the CARB system.

You see how complicated and amazingly expensive this gets? If it was easy, someone would have already done it and be importing Minis from abroad.

It's sad to say, but your best bet is to do as others have said - sell your car out of state and find a car already in California. You're going to want a 1974 or older to avoid any further CARB complications.

Sorry, but the very best of luck.

 Posted: Jun 15, 2017 04:44AM
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If you really want to throw $5 large away, go ahead. There's no way you will ever get that registered in California. Can't be done. Ask the company wanting the $5 large if they guarantee that you can get it registered? Are they willing to give you the money back if you can't? If they say no, then run away and sell the Mini.

"Retired:  No Job, No Money, Wife and I!  Will travel anywhere for Minis"

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 Posted: Jun 15, 2017 02:57AM
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No dog in this one, you mention an ECU and being a 998. I have never seen a injected 998. Good luck you will need it. Steve (CTR)

 Posted: Jun 15, 2017 02:23AM
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Right you are Spank, but keep in mind, the last Canadian spec minis were exported from the U K to Canada in 1980

Would be hard to find the charcoal/canister set up now

Big AL

austinmorris@xplornet.ca

Niagara Ontario Canada

 Posted: Jun 14, 2017 02:12PM
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If $ is no object or problem, I would LOVE to hear the results of this and see you become a trailblazer for others who want to follow your lead.  Later minis came with catalytic converters and an evap system and so did Japanese Spec minis. Perhaps you can retrofit one of their setups. I believe canadian minis also had a charcoal canister setup for the evap system.

 Posted: Jun 14, 2017 01:36PM
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Yep, pretty much agree with all the guys here. If it were that easy (or even possible) to get Rover Minis registered in California, you would see a LOT more of them. 

Personally dealing with the emissions updates is a huge expensive gamble that I wouldn't make. Sell it and buy one with a CA title already. There is a reason that Minis already registered in California come with a higher price tag. 

 Posted: Jun 14, 2017 12:27PM
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 Posted: Jun 13, 2017 04:28PM
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You should find out if you still need to get the crash rating stuff done too. I don't know how any of the CA laws work, but if the company just does the emissions part you will still have to pay a lot to have the crash safety up to standards too.

But if the company does everything required to get the car legal, and it truly is *only* $5000, then that may be the way for you to go. But it would be easier to find an earlier model as every has stated.

My knowledge is very limited on Minis so far, but I haven't seen a CEL on my car yet. I don't know if they can tie an EVAP system into the ECU or maybe it will be a standalone unit with its own ECU? These are questions you could email the people who do the work and get more info that way.

 Posted: Jun 13, 2017 03:37PM
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caliMini.. my guess the costs IF even possible would be $10 large PLUS..  better off to just sell the mini and buy one in Calli with Calli title.  and forget about this PIPE DREAM to make legal there in  lala land..   later bc

 Posted: Jun 13, 2017 03:07PM
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Thanks for the offer!  There's a "Gray Market Laboratory" in Southern California that is willing to do the work to get my car up to CA emissions standards.  The cost doesn't really bother me, but it takes 3 months and they do intend to install an EVAP system (!!) and catalytic converter.

Is anyone familiar with the EVAP system on a classic mini that only has ~50 hp?  Will the EVAP system be wired into my cars ECU?  Will the EVAP system forever haunt me with check engine lights that I have to go get diagnosed and fixed?  If the EVAP system turns on a check engine light, is it easy enough for me to "reset" the ECU to prevent it from failing plug-in smog checks?

Sorry for what seems to be random questions, but I am really stressing out over all of the potential avenues to pursue with this car.  Don't want to let her go so easy!

Thanks,
Justin

 Posted: Jun 13, 2017 02:51PM
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If you do decide to keep it and get it smog and all legal I have a catalytic converter you can have for free.  Must be picked up from around Seattle WA.  I might be persuaded to throw in the down pipe to mount between the header and cat.  I just recently replaced my exhaust because the rear section was rusting away.  Down pipe and the cat are still in good condition.

 Posted: Jun 13, 2017 01:39PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliMini
Thanks for the messages guys.  If I were to register the car in another state, what all would I need to do in CA?  I've already started the registration process in CA, except it's incomplete because of the smog.  Do I just walk in to the DMV and cancel the registration process and ask for my money/documentation back?

Thanks,
Justin

Yes, you only gave a "DEPOSIT OF FEES". You can request that deposit back in full. They will mail you a check in about 60-90 days.

Sell it and buy a car already in CA.

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