Troubleshooting clutch.
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Mar 8, 2018 09:39PM | Whee | |
Feb 25, 2018 10:06AM | Minimike1 | |
Feb 24, 2018 01:04PM | Dan Moffet | |
Feb 24, 2018 11:42AM | Whee | Edited: Feb 24, 2018 11:43AM |
Feb 24, 2018 10:30AM | Spank | |
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Feb 24, 2018 06:33AM | Dan Moffet | |
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Feb 23, 2018 08:52PM | Minimike1 | |
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I think it's going to end up being a combination of things. Pretty sure there is a leak in the system - MiniMike, pumping the clutch does make it POSSIBLE to shift when cold and easier when warm. Still brutally hard though - every traffic light was an adventure. Probably a combination of worn linkages, clutch air, worn clevis pin etc etc.
I learnt to drive on a non-sycromesh 3 speed, so I always do second than 1st on any car I drive - just habit.
It does do something really weird every 5 minutes or so. Goes "floppy" - I can move it easily to any position, but it's not engaging any gear.
First thing I'm going to do is remove the quikshift to get that out the mix and then just work logically through refreshing the system.
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going into second then 1st before you take off, you'll find it much easier to get into 1t.
on another note, if you can pump the clutch 2 or 3 times and it goes into 1st easier, you need to bleed the system, or maybe have an internal leak in the clutch master.
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Anyway, it looks like it was a stuck clutch plate. I couldn't get it going in first, so I started it in reserve and drove it (looking like an idiot) around my circular driveway dipping the clutch. After about 5 minutes, I have full functionality with no clutch slippage and took it for the first mail run (~3 miles to mailbox).
Still horrible to get into 1st/2nd gear from neutral when stationary, but not sure if that's me struggling with the quickshift or something else. But it's usable even if I have to start rolling in 3rd to be able to downshift to 2nd from stationary right now
Thanks all for the help.
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Now, back to the issue.
Any mini that sits for a year or more has likely had the slave cylinder leak. You can tell by peeling back the dust boot on the slave cylinder and seeing if there is gunk or moisture in there. If there is crap behind the dust boot, it came as a result of your slave cylinder leaking. Period. Even if it is just a tiny weep. But its a leak nonetheless.
If it has been leaking, then there is near-certainty that there is air in the system. Bleed it. My preferred method of bleeding is to have someone stand on the clutch pedal and then you crack the line on the slave and let the return spring push out the fluid. Close the bleeder before the assistant removes her / his foot from the pedal and repeats. When there's no "Ffffrrrrt sprrt" and it's just fluid, then you're bled.
there is no real need to "measure" any sort of super-specific distance between the lever arm stop and the arm. The thickness of a cereal box cardboard or post card is plenty. Just make sure you can create a thin visible gap between the stop bolt and the arm when you pull outwardly on the arm with your hand and overcome the forces of the little visible coil spring. Take the coil spring off if you want to to make sure you are only overcoming those forces, but over time you'll get a feel for how to check it without removing that spring. The reason for the stop is so that when the clutch is in the fully relaxed position there is a gap between the throwout bearing in the housing and the clutch spring so the throwout bearing isn't constantly spinning and riding on the clutch spring inside. It is also to make sure you aren't slightly "riding" the clutch which would cause it to eventually slip, would cause you to ride your crank and the crank's thrust washers.
If you are not able to fully disengage the clutch either because of air in the system, slop in the mechanical parts of the system, or some other reason, you will have difficulty engaging and disengaging gears while the engine is running. 1st and reverse will be the most difficult to engage and disengage followed closely by 2nd gear and then 3rd and 4th.
The stuck plunger is also a possibility, but you can sometimes just temporarily "cheap out" and just spray a bunch of penetrant down there and work it free with the pedal. But removing the cover and greasing it is indeed the RIGHT way. But not always necessary for the short term checking.
There are probably no less than 20 possible causes, but start with bleeding the clutch.
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With the brakes off, engine off, the transmission in 4th gear, and the clutch pedal fully depressed, can the car be moved? If everything else is working the clutch plate itself may be stuck, either to the flywheel or pressure plate or on its splines and not sliding clear of the flywheel - a small amount of rust or grime can do this.
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Reassemble and leave out the 8 o'clock bolt. not needed and a PITA to reach back there.
And you can do all the other basic stuff, but if the arm is moving from the slave, the hydraulics are working.
and for anyone else, to test a slipping clutch, put it in 4th, start engine, as you release clutch have foot on brake and give it plenty of gas. It should stall as soon as clutch is released. Not slipping
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Reassemble and leave out the 8 o'clock bolt. not needed and a PITA to reach back there.
And you can do all the other basic stuff, but if the arm is moving from the slave, the hydraulics are working.
and for anyone else, to test a slipping clutch, put it in 4th, start engine, as you release clutch have foot on brake and give it plenty of gas. It should stall as soon as clutch is released. Not slipping
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New to me mini. Clutch is not working. Pre-verto. When engine is off, can shift fine. When engine on, it’s frozen – can’t shift at all. Clutch worked enough for me to be able to start it in gear in order to get it off the transporter and into the garage. When starting in 1st gear, the starter rolls it forwards a bit.
Was reportedly running fine at the end of summer. Wasn’t damage from transport – had this problem before it was transported. While has been cold here is not a temperature problem – garage is plenty warm. Have checked carpets not in way.
Probably at least 10 years since it’s done much driving, most of that sitting in a garage.
Has a quick shifter installed.
Clutch master has fluid, metal lines look good. Arm is moving in and out of slave fine. Gap looks reasonable, but have not measured yet. No sign of oil leak from flywheel housing, but engine recently detailed so might not see it if there is.
Am intending to start with the basics. Bleed system – if it won’t bleed, then replace hoses. Adjust freeplay on clutch arm. Check adjustment on throwout stop.
Then get into replacing master, slave and clevis pins.
Thoughts on my approach based on the symptoms?
Don't assume any real knowledge on my part when giving advice - only the second time in my life I've worked on a clutch.
Thanks in advance!