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 Posted: Mar 30, 2022 01:58PM
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MiniMania staff helped out today with providing a profile view of JBW 6x10 et-7 Minilites. I see there's a clear difference in the profile of the wheel which would make installing tires much easier. Looks like I'll be doing some shopping 

 Posted: Mar 29, 2022 04:00PM
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Not sure on that, but I  know the wheel I'm thinking about had a really big offset, with a flat polished edge/rim (minilite style hub area). 

  
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 Posted: Mar 29, 2022 03:54PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's JBW who makes the cosmic, mamba and their own versions of the minilites and revolution wheels. Either way, I just sent JBW an email to see if I can get pictures of the side profile of their wheels

 Posted: Mar 29, 2022 03:45PM
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Yes we've seen that design before, I forget the brand of the wheel, but from what I can see in the pictures they look like that brand/style. Most wheels have the proper offset (Minilite, Revolution Cosmic, Mamba) I'm not sure about he JBW wheels to be honest, I'd have to check with the guys at the shop to be sure.

  
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 Posted: Mar 29, 2022 03:37PM
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Appreciate the input. I agree with what you said about the inset. Have you seen this centered inset on other 6x10 - 7 wheels? I don't mind buying new wheels, since these are kindof trashed anyway, but I don't want to get a new set of say JBW 6x10 wheels and have the same issue. 

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I'll give you some input, we've used the same tire guy out this way for the last 20 years, he runs a shop out of his garage, but has great equipment. We've been using him to do the race car tires (Hoosiers) which are a royal pain to mount, and very easy to 'rip' the bead, which is what usually causes the type of problems you're having. The 32r's are actually easier, but that being said that rim you have is a type that even my guy will not touch. As you can see the inset for the tire during mounting is in the center of the rim, where it should be offset to one side. This makes mounting really really hard. I'm sorry to say that there isn't a easy solution, as the root of the issue is the wheel, not the tire or the shop doing the mounting. My guy here has done them successfully, but it was a half a day job with 2+ people working them.

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 Posted: Mar 29, 2022 03:19PM
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monospeed3:


I'll give you some input, we've used the same tire guy out this way for the last 20 years, he runs a shop out of his garage, but has great equipment. We've been using him to do the race car tires (Hoosiers) which are a royal pain to mount, and very easy to 'rip' the bead, which is what usually causes the type of problems you're having. The 32r's are actually easier, but that being said that rim you have is a type that even my guy will not touch. As you can see the inset for the tire during mounting is in the center of the rim, where it should be offset to one side. This makes mounting really really hard. I'm sorry to say that there isn't a easy solution, as the root of the issue is the wheel, not the tire or the shop doing the mounting. My guy here has done them successfully, but it was a half a day job with 2+ people working them.

-Dennis



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Well, I'm out of luck. I had a shop remove my old tire so I could try to install the new one myself with the Harbor Freight kit. Bought a couple extra tire spoons but couldn't get the first bead on. Took the wheel/tire to a local ATV shop as I figured they'd have a lot more experience with small wheels but they couldn't get the first bead on either. They said their machine actually stopped itself because it was using too much force. Each place I took it to agreed that the problem is the low point in the wheel profile is directly in the center of the wheel width and if it was closer to one side, it could be easier.For those of you that have had luck installing the tire yourself, what wheels do you have? Mine look like Ultralites but their 10x6's don't come with -7 offset per their website.At this point, I'm considering buying a new set of wheels, maybe 5" wide with less offset, that has the low point closer to one side so I can actually get tires installed and drive my car...  

  
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 Posted: Mar 26, 2022 04:42PM
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FWIW I have 4.5 x10 Minilite 'style' rims - center cap says ST  w/  Yokohoma A008s  Not sure what the offset is..... Mounting was a pain but doable even by my unskilled hands....
 
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 Posted: Mar 26, 2022 08:38AM
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Well, I'm out of luck. I had a shop remove my old tire so I could try to install the new one myself with the Harbor Freight kit. Bought a couple extra tire spoons but couldn't get the first bead on. Took the wheel/tire to a local ATV shop as I figured they'd have a lot more experience with small wheels but they couldn't get the first bead on either. They said their machine actually stopped itself because it was using too much force. Each place I took it to agreed that the problem is the low point in the wheel profile is directly in the center of the wheel width and if it was closer to one side, it could be easier.For those of you that have had luck installing the tire yourself, what wheels do you have? Mine look like Ultralites but their 10x6's don't come with -7 offset per their website.At this point, I'm considering buying a new set of wheels, maybe 5" wide with less offset, that has the low point closer to one side so I can actually get tires installed and drive my car...  

 Posted: Mar 24, 2022 09:18AM
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Well, if anything for the rest of us,...(at least me), it's teaching me not to bother trusting tire shops to mount my 10's when the time comes. I've been hearing more and more of tire and/or wheel damage during mounting. Will be learning how to do it myself by hand. 

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 Posted: Mar 24, 2022 04:30AM
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Funny,ive seen people struggle with tire spoons..

Then i took the same wheel and tire with some dawn and my bare hands and worked it on the rim. Ive done this with 2 sets of 10" wheels/tires as well as new wheels/slicks for my mustang multiple times.Push one spot in place and slowly work each hand side to side and work the tire on. Sometimes each side will just press on a 1/4 inch and hold it there and move to the other side. It'll get tough then all the sudden hit a point and pop on.

 Posted: Mar 23, 2022 02:37AM
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Right, I bought the same harbor freight installer. Haven't installed a tire before but I broke the beads and then put the wheel face down to remove the tire from the back so any rim damage would be to the back side. I hadn't considered seeing which side the recessed area was closest to. With - 7 offset wheels, I suspect it's closer to the back side but I'll need to check. 

 Posted: Mar 22, 2022 06:21PM
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ditto Dr mini.  FWIW I got the 'mini' (as in ATV and Golf carts not real mini's) tire changer from harbor freight  https://www.harborfreight.com/mini-tire-changer-61179.html  It is a pain but it can be done.  Have you manual changed tires before?  break the bead on both sides first and be sure it is in the recessed area and remove from side closest to recessed area . couple of small tire spoons (or big screwdrivers applied carefully).  Dawn is my got to for tires and hoses.  maybe diluted a bit here.  

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 Posted: Mar 22, 2022 06:02PM
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Depending on the offset, there should be one side of the rim that has less flat metal between the lip and the recessed area in the middle. From my experiences, this is typically at the rear of the rim. That means that to properly mount the tires they have to put the rim face down on their machine. Most tire jockeys probably think that's not a good idea as it might scar the face, but is necessesary. As far as mounting 10" tires go, I've had very good luck with something slippery (Dawn or GoJo) and mount them by hand. May sound hard, but it's not. Good luck.

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 Posted: Mar 22, 2022 05:33PM
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No luck with the harbor freight mini tire installer. Couldn't even get the old tire off... I think the 10x6 makes it more difficult. Took it to another shop to give it a go.

 Posted: Mar 17, 2022 05:46AM
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Here's a pic from yesterday after a short drive... I should note that the tire pressure was at ~34psi.

 Posted: Mar 17, 2022 05:04AM
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I'd love to see a photo - in 30+ years of playing with 10" wheel cars I've never seen this.

 Posted: Mar 16, 2022 06:11PM
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Literally just placed an order for the harbor freight one. Videos make it look pretty easy... At least it doesn't look like it stresses the tire too much

 Posted: Mar 16, 2022 05:53PM
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Harbor freight if you want a go at it. Though not as much fun as you would think (that's the route I took).  May have better luck with a golf cart or ATV shop. 
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 Posted: Mar 16, 2022 04:11PM
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Thanks, that's pretty much what I figured. I'd consider getting my own manual tire mounter but hard to say if I'd do any better.

 Posted: Mar 16, 2022 04:05PM
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The bubble is caused by the tyre bead being pinched during fitting.

The problem is fewer tyres shops are familiar with mounting 10" tyres, which are tight on the rim, so go at them hell for leather with levers using too much force. 

An experienced tyre fitter should have no problem, the issue seems to be finding one.

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