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 Posted: Dec 7, 2022 07:09PM
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Thanks Dr Mini, good idea about the Moke windscreen, I hadn't thought of that.
I can re-fit the windscreen and put the top up when I get to the parade.
Thanks again, M.

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 Posted: Dec 7, 2022 06:53PM
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Well, I've flat towed Minis and Mokes all over the place and never had a problem. Back in 92 (I think) we flat towed Mark Caldwell's Moke from TN to Canada for MME and back. No issues at all. We towed it behind my Pontiac Grand Prix, but I wouldn't think using a Mini van would be an issue. That said, I would remove the windshield just so it would be less drag. I towed a Mini with a Mini once, all the way fro Wichita Falls TX to Albuquerque NM. I had planned to take it to California but changed my mind when I started hitting the mountains. On flat ground it wasn't a problem but the hills made my Mini struggle. Just make sure you're in neutral and always check anytime you stop for gas, etc. Also, as someone said, don't flat tow an Automatic. Well, not with axles in it. I flat towed a Mini Clubman Automatic from Woodland CA to Knoxville once for Big Al. I wasn't told it was an Automatic until I got to California. Since I didn't have my trailer with me I stopped by my friend's house and removed the axles from the CV joints. Easy peasy, and I was on the road. Good luck with it, and it should tow nicely behind the PU if you take the windshield off.

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 Posted: Dec 5, 2022 01:26PM
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 Posted: Nov 28, 2022 09:20PM
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I guess you can’t get into too much trouble during a 1 km parade lap....

The factory workshop manual (AKD 4935) lists the PU/Van/Travrller etc max towing weight as 6 cwt (304.7kg)..... with the qualifier that this is “suitable for a gradient of 1 in 8 in bottom gear”.

I do seem to remember seeing photos taken in the day of one of the race teams (Cooper Car Co???) vans hitched to a trailler carrying one of their race cars....

OH&S has taken a lot of the fun out of life....

Cheers, Ian

 Posted: Nov 28, 2022 08:31PM
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Sorta close, ...not quite, with that set up in the photo.
I'd say you're good to go then. The inclines/declines would be one of the worst scenarios for this set up. Somewhat level terrain, low speeds, and short distances I think would be fine. 
Love seeing those Mini PickUps and would love to have one. Cool to see them at work for its intended use also, by towing/hauling something. 

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 Posted: Nov 28, 2022 07:09PM
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It would make a cool photo op though and an entrance into the car shows towing the Moke with the PickUp. Style points there. 
Or if you know someone that has a larger vehicle and trailer big enough to tow both at once or separately, that may work better.
Good luck and feel free to post photos.
Markiss, good comments. Style points are what I'm going for.
Twice a year Kanab has a car parade through town and I would be hoping to pull the Moke with the PU around the loop (about 1 mile) at walking pace. It's three miles of dirt road & 3 miles of blacktop for me to get to town, no hills either. I'll post images if I do the setup this year but it's about time to drain the gas tanks and cosey the Minis up for the winter. 

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 Posted: Nov 28, 2022 05:33PM
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Due to not enough Red Stripes, or perhaps due to too many,  I can't recall all the detail but I seem to remember that you shouldnt flat tow a Mini automatic.  The auto trans in the Minis and the ADO16s was made with a feature allowing it to be push started, it could build up enough oil pressure to start the crank spinning; must have been only in gear but did it do this in neutral as well?  Cant remember, I conclude this is due to Red Stripe option 1 above and will now remedy that.  Standard trans Minis will spin the gear cluster, that throws oil around, but other than that should be flat-tow capable at less than highway speeds.

 Posted: Nov 28, 2022 04:43PM
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I would have to agree with the comments about the concern with towing capacity. Usually you want to have the tow(er) to be more powerful (and heavier in some cases so it can hold back the weight going downhill or not get dragged backward by it going uphill) than the tow(ee). In this case, it's slightly more power and weight, but not by much. But, being that it is a short distance, it may be alright. Hopefully the terrain doesn't have too much of an incline/decline or too many of them. Too much strain on the engine and trans, not too mention the ability/inability to hold it on the incline (and get going again while on the incline if you need to stop on it) or the momentum pushing going down hill. If you haven't already, plan the route with the least amount of traffic and hills. The pros about it, is that you have a beefer engine in the pickup and disc brakes. 
If you have the frame hooked up and all ready to go, try it with a different tow vehicle to confirm or deny a problem with the steering, castor and toe. At least then you'll know if you can eliminate that part of the equation. 
It would make a cool photo op though and an entrance into the car shows towing the Moke with the PickUp. Style points there. 
Or if you know someone that has a larger vehicle and trailer big enough to tow both at once or separately, that may work better.
Good luck and feel free to post photos.

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 Posted: Nov 27, 2022 11:34PM
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From memory, the maximum permissible towing weight for a Mini Pickup, Van, Countryman, Estate, is around 205kg, or 450lbs (which is less than a saloon can tow).

No Mini can sensibly or legally tow a Moke.

 Posted: Nov 27, 2022 08:56PM
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I've flat towed minis with a custom bar with no issues.  Make sure you have safety chains on the rig in case the frame pops off the tow ball.  I like to put a sign on the rear of the mini that says  Car In Tow just to let the fast drivers who come up behind you to go ahead and pass and not honk.

 Posted: Nov 27, 2022 07:40PM
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Don’t think we did that ...but don’t quote me.

When I wrote my initial response I was commenting on my experience with the towed vehicle. We used a Volvo Turbo with a factory towing kit.

I think I would be having second thoughts about what’s on the other end of the tow bar. My (factory) manual doesn’t have data for pickups but the max towing weight for a van is less than half the weight of a Moke. Also, I don’t remember seeing tow bars as a factory accessory. That means you need to be REALLY careful with the design and engineering of your PUs tow bar.....

Flat tow a Mini? No problems. But I think flat towing a Moke behind a (Mini) pickup would be a bit too rich for my blood.

Cheers, Ian

 Posted: Nov 27, 2022 07:35PM
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No one has mentioned it yet, so I will. Normally an A frame towing bar is used, which one piece of it is though bolted to the front panel and subframe using the two bolt holes. The bolts are 3/8" that attaches the front panel and front of subframe. You need to drill out to use 1/2" bolts.

Towing flat is not a problem if you have the right equipment
Hi 6464s the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtNDLsGEyRY explains the use of the "A" frame. I have the same one and already have it attached to the front subby of the Moke using 1/2" fine thread grade 8 hardware, did it today.

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 Posted: Nov 27, 2022 06:08PM
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No one has mentioned it yet, so I will. Normally an A frame towing bar is used, which one piece of it is though bolted to the front panel and subframe using the two bolt holes. The bolts are 3/8" that attaches the front panel and front of subframe. You need to drill out to use 1/2" bolts.

Towing flat is not a problem if you have the right equipment

 Posted: Nov 27, 2022 04:18PM
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Martin..  take Six Pack of Red Stripes .on ice.. just in case you break down on side of road.. good luck.. you will be fine.. PHD..

 Posted: Nov 27, 2022 03:40PM
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Thanks PHD, Markiss, Willie_B and Ian, not sure what the towing capacity of the PU is but it does have a 1275 & disk brakes, stopping is more of a concern than the towing part.
Two good videos BTW, not too sure where the attachment points are on the Moke but I have the same tow bar from Harbour Freight as the first video.
Guess I'll give it a try, I can get to most of my car shows via side roads.
Thanks M.

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 Posted: Nov 27, 2022 03:03PM
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Martin. I have never tried to flat tow anything.. I always use proper tow dolly.. but all this said.  the VW guys make great flat tow bar.. for about $100 on ebay.  I exported  15 VW buses to the UK in 2015..  none them ran.. but K Line.. let me use Tow bars to get them on board.. In port of Charleston SC.. Wallenius lines Frowns on this. PHD.  

 Posted: Nov 27, 2022 02:05PM
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Mechanically, flat towing is not an issue. Mate and I flat towed his Mini to a couple of MMEs from Washington using an A frame.

Just remember Rule 1 ...never reverse.

My main concern would be; is it legal? ‘Round here the Fuzz would be happy to write tickets for exceeding the towing capacity of you PU. And I would imagine your insurance company would leave you high and dry should the worst happen.... whether you might be at fault or not.

Cheers, Ian

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Flat towing is not a problem. Not good for LONG distance due to driving the trans from the wrong side, but I towed at least one trip of 1100 miles each way. Just remember to leave the steering unlocked so the front wheels can turn when cornering, in neutral and the parking brake off.

You will need to make spacers that go where the front subframe bolts are. The problem there is that hole in the body is smaller on a moke than a mini. So the max size of the spacer is 1" round.

I used a towbar from Harbor Freight and lights from them also that go inside the rear window.

"How can anything bigger be mini?"

 Posted: Nov 27, 2022 11:47AM
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I've looked up towing a Mini awhile back in case I was missing anything. Came across this video, if you haven't seen either of these:   
Brings up some obvious points that some may miss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtNDLsGEyRY
Then there's this Moke towing one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkTN_P7czhE
I don't own a Moke or Mini pick up to say whether this is a good idea or not. The Moke is pretty light weight. The pick up should be able to handle it for the short distance. Maybe stay off the highways/freeways if you can. 

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Simple recipe for Excitement:  Take 1 Classic Mini. Throw in 1590cc's of engine. Add 5 gears. A dash of 94 octane. A sprinkle of style inside and out. Toss in 1 MadMan and finally heat tires and pavement to taste. Recipe produces 1 Mini VTEC conversion and full satisfaction. Motor on!
 Posted: Nov 27, 2022 10:39AM
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Is it possible to flat tow a classic Mini? I want to tow my Mini Moke behind my Mini Pick-up to get to car shows, probably maximum distance of twenty miles.
I'm concerned that the steering axis inclination, caster and toe out combination will prevent the wheels from self-centering when the Moke is flat towed.
Thanks, M.

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