Flat tow a classic Mini?
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The factory workshop manual (AKD 4935) lists the PU/Van/Travrller etc max towing weight as 6 cwt (304.7kg)..... with the qualifier that this is “suitable for a gradient of 1 in 8 in bottom gear”.
I do seem to remember seeing photos taken in the day of one of the race teams (Cooper Car Co???) vans hitched to a trailler carrying one of their race cars....
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I'd say you're good to go then. The inclines/declines would be one of the worst scenarios for this set up. Somewhat level terrain, low speeds, and short distances I think would be fine.
Love seeing those Mini PickUps and would love to have one. Cool to see them at work for its intended use also, by towing/hauling something.
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It would make a cool photo op though and an entrance into the car shows towing the Moke with the PickUp. Style points there.
Or if you know someone that has a larger vehicle and trailer big enough to tow both at once or separately, that may work better.
Good luck and feel free to post photos.
Twice a year Kanab has a car parade through town and I would be hoping to pull the Moke with the PU around the loop (about 1 mile) at walking pace. It's three miles of dirt road & 3 miles of blacktop for me to get to town, no hills either. I'll post images if I do the setup this year but it's about time to drain the gas tanks and cosey the Minis up for the winter.
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Due to not enough Red Stripes, or perhaps due to too many, I can't recall all the detail but I seem to remember that you shouldnt flat tow a Mini automatic. The auto trans in the Minis and the ADO16s was made with a feature allowing it to be push started, it could build up enough oil pressure to start the crank spinning; must have been only in gear but did it do this in neutral as well? Cant remember, I conclude this is due to Red Stripe option 1 above and will now remedy that. Standard trans Minis will spin the gear cluster, that throws oil around, but other than that should be flat-tow capable at less than highway speeds.
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If you have the frame hooked up and all ready to go, try it with a different tow vehicle to confirm or deny a problem with the steering, castor and toe. At least then you'll know if you can eliminate that part of the equation.
It would make a cool photo op though and an entrance into the car shows towing the Moke with the PickUp. Style points there.
Or if you know someone that has a larger vehicle and trailer big enough to tow both at once or separately, that may work better.
Good luck and feel free to post photos.
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No Mini can sensibly or legally tow a Moke.
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When I wrote my initial response I was commenting on my experience with the towed vehicle. We used a Volvo Turbo with a factory towing kit.
I think I would be having second thoughts about what’s on the other end of the tow bar. My (factory) manual doesn’t have data for pickups but the max towing weight for a van is less than half the weight of a Moke. Also, I don’t remember seeing tow bars as a factory accessory. That means you need to be REALLY careful with the design and engineering of your PUs tow bar.....
Flat tow a Mini? No problems. But I think flat towing a Moke behind a (Mini) pickup would be a bit too rich for my blood.
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Towing flat is not a problem if you have the right equipment
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Towing flat is not a problem if you have the right equipment
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Two good videos BTW, not too sure where the attachment points are on the Moke but I have the same tow bar from Harbour Freight as the first video.
Guess I'll give it a try, I can get to most of my car shows via side roads.
Thanks M.
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Just remember Rule 1 ...never reverse.
My main concern would be; is it legal? ‘Round here the Fuzz would be happy to write tickets for exceeding the towing capacity of you PU. And I would imagine your insurance company would leave you high and dry should the worst happen.... whether you might be at fault or not.
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You will need to make spacers that go where the front subframe bolts are. The problem there is that hole in the body is smaller on a moke than a mini. So the max size of the spacer is 1" round.
I used a towbar from Harbor Freight and lights from them also that go inside the rear window.
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Brings up some obvious points that some may miss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtNDLsGEyRY
Then there's this Moke towing one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkTN_P7czhE
I don't own a Moke or Mini pick up to say whether this is a good idea or not. The Moke is pretty light weight. The pick up should be able to handle it for the short distance. Maybe stay off the highways/freeways if you can.
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I'm concerned that the steering axis inclination, caster and toe out combination will prevent the wheels from self-centering when the Moke is flat towed.
Thanks, M.