Ignorant new owner buys dream car
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Jan 17, 2013 09:14AM | rane | |
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Jan 16, 2013 04:44PM | rane | |
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Jan 16, 2013 10:59AM | tmsmith | Edited: Jan 16, 2013 11:02AM |
Jan 16, 2013 09:33AM | bluedragon | |
Jan 16, 2013 09:25AM | rane | |
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Jan 12, 2013 02:18PM | xcc_rider | |
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Jan 10, 2013 08:32PM | Se7en | Edited: Jan 10, 2013 08:37PM |
Jan 10, 2013 07:24PM | Cup Cake | |
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Jan 10, 2013 06:07PM | Air2air | Edited: Jan 10, 2013 06:17PM |
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One small comment - it can't be due to an engine coil. MPI Minis don't have ignition coils. I wonder what part actually did get replaced. Is it verified there's no spark on the plug wire that's bad?
Perfect. Will call tonight and try and sort this out. I have about 500 pages to print which should help significantly. Thanks again to all.
In the meantime, if anyone else would like to weigh in with experiences or ideas regarding my problem I would be quite grateful.
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Great info. Thanks!
There should be an MPi specific PDF on:
in one of the Injection forums. If I can find the link I will post it. It may have been included in the link posted previously.
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One small comment - it can't be due to an engine coil. MPI Minis don't have ignition coils. I wonder what part actually did get replaced. Is it verified there's no spark on the plug wire that's bad?
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There should be an MPi specific PDF on:
in one of the Injection forums. If I can find the link I will post it. It may have been included in the link posted previously.
Terry
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"The oil temp gauge works". Probably water temperature and oil pressure.
Some of the late model MPI's had factory oil temperature gauges.
I would start with a compression check you may just have a failed head gasket with the two center cyinders not firing correctly.
Thanks. I'll try and get a gauge pic sent my way.
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Ditto on the MPi version.
Some concepts still apply.
Has anyone recently done any clutch work? The flywheel really only goes on one way but it is possible to get it on incorrectly. It sounds like it was running fine initially so this should not be an issue.
The ECUs rarely fail, but it is a possibility. Checking connectors is the first step. A bad ground can cause issue with the sensors as well. There are two major ground point on either side of the engine bay.
As the car is close to 15 years old the crank sensors have been know to go bad as well.
Where are you located?
Terry
None to my knowledge. He really believes this because of the tach issue. Does that sound congruent at all? I'm sure he has done all that, but I'll give him a call in the morning. Thanks for your help with the locations. Southeast US (not a common thing to work on down here).
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Front located radiator - it's an MPI (also known as Twin Point Injection.) Uses 2 fuel injectors instead of one (SPI - Single Point Injection.) The fuelling system used on the last Minis, and the most sophisticated. Look for a Mini service manual for years 1997-2000.
Thanks. Anyone with any links or PDFs while I dig?
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"The oil temp gauge works". Probably water temperature and oil pressure.
Some of the late model MPI's had factory oil temperature gauges.
I would start with a compression check you may just have a failed head gasket with the two center cyinders not firing correctly.
If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.
Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.
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Ditto on the MPi version.
Some concepts still apply.
Has anyone recently done any clutch work? The flywheel really only goes on one way but it is possible to get it on incorrectly. It sounds like it was running fine initially so this should not be an issue.
The ECUs rarely fail, but it is a possibility. Checking connectors is the first step. A bad ground can cause issue with the sensors as well. There are two major ground point on either side of the engine bay.
As the car is close to 15 years old the crank sensors have been know to go bad as well.
Where are you located?
Terry
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Front located radiator - it's an MPI (also known as Twin Point Injection.) Uses 2 fuel injectors instead of one (SPI - Single Point Injection.) The fuelling system used on the last Minis, and the most sophisticated. Look for a Mini service manual for years 1997-2000.
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Defintely sounds like a SPi(single point injection) engine.
This means extra wires and hoses, but it is still an A series underneath.
This is a good link for SPi trouble shooting as there are unique issues with the SPi system:
//www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/topic/20533-having-problems-with-spi-single-point-injection/
There are code readers that can give some insight into what may or may not be working, but they are very specific to the the Rover ECUs and will not solve the problem. The results need to be interpreted.
Most often issues are wiring, connectors and perished rubber bits.
Terry
Thanks for the guidance. Looking into this heavily. Fingers crossed it's "simple."
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And a SPI specific manual would be helpful too.
//restorationmini.com/forum/index.php?action=media;sa=item;in=873
Email me (addy in my profile) if you have problems accessing it and I'll send it to you.
dan
Thank you so much!
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Thanks to each of you for your input. I'm looking forward to this adventure. A bit slow on this forum right now because of work and because the car is not in the city where I am working at the moment. I promise to speed up.
I'm not at the level of mechanical ability I need to be to address the current problems of the Mini, but the person I have working on it is a very trusted, long-time mechanic of mine. He is nearly as interested in this journey as I am.
Currently he tells me the two end cylinders are firing but the middle two do not. His idea currently is that the ECU needs to be replaced since the tach is not working either. An engine coil had been replaced prior to my takeover so he is assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that it is working. MKC104291 is the part label for the ECU. I've looked into the online and read several posts with varying experiences.
Any input here would certainly be appreciated!
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And a SPI specific manual would be helpful too.
//restorationmini.com/forum/index.php?action=media;sa=item;in=873
Email me (addy in my profile) if you have problems accessing it and I'll send it to you.
dan
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Defintely sounds like a SPi(single point injection) engine.
This means extra wires and hoses, but it is still an A series underneath.
This is a good link for SPi trouble shooting as there are unique issues with the SPi system:
//www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/topic/20533-having-problems-with-spi-single-point-injection/
There are code readers that can give some insight into what may or may not be working, but they are very specific to the the Rover ECUs and will not solve the problem. The results need to be interpreted.
Most often issues are wiring, connectors and perished rubber bits.
Terry
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Posting here before you bought might have been prudent, but we all know how exciting finding a Mini can be, so that's now water under the bridge. Now we need to try to help and educate you so you can enjoy what you bought. "Control module" suggests a "newer", fuel injected car as per your "conversion" comment. There are owners of newer cars here on the board who have some pretty thorough experience in sorting these, so this post is to push this thread up and keep it near the top for those owners to see. Care to add a few pics or describe the car a bit better? Both will help folks here help you.
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"The oil temp gauge works". Probably water temperature and oil pressure.
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1974 upgraded to 1991 specs? Search the forum for the word REVIN and be prepared to learn. Be careful putting photos up if you happen to live in California. But if you do you will soon be informed as to what you really have.
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Congrats rane! You just got the awesomest car in the universe. prepare to be mobbed, mostly by women.
However you are not out of the woods yet as you probaby can tell. Mini drivers are also mini mechanics. It is an extremely easy car to fix, however.
You must rapidly learn everything about the car mechanically, because taking it to a mechanic will wipe out both your wallet and your enthusiasm.
I am certain the gurus here, of whom I am a mere student, would vastly prefer you ask questions here than take it to a shop.
You are at the very worst time now, so keep your enthusiasm up. You're not secure about your knowledge, you are dreading what might happen next, and therefore you will question if it's worth it.
6 months from now your mini will be the greatest joy of your life and a prized family heirloom. Or you will roll it into a lake.
Which outcome depends on how quickly you get up to speed asking questions of the gurus here, and preparing to spend weekends on it for the next few months. Then smooth sailing.