Help sort TB's carb.
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Feb 24, 2016 09:29AM | Dan Moffet | Edited: Feb 24, 2016 09:29AM |
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Feb 22, 2016 08:35AM | jeg | Edited: Feb 22, 2016 08:36AM |
Feb 22, 2016 08:15AM | Spitz | Edited: Feb 22, 2016 08:44AM |
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Feb 22, 2016 04:39AM | Dan Moffet | Edited: Feb 22, 2016 04:40AM |
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Feb 21, 2016 09:34PM | triggerboy | Edited: Feb 22, 2016 05:06AM |
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No, what would be the point of plugging up a K&N and risking that you'll suck all sorts of who knows what into your carb? Reinstall your original air filter box with a paper air filter and get the car running with the AAC needle. Then reinstall your chrome sewer pipe setup without re-adjusting the carb or the needle for comparison. You'll find that the stock needle isn't adequate. As Dan mentioned, your chrome sewer pipe isn't the optimal design for the SU carb equipped siamese-port A/A+-series engine.
If you haven't bought it yet, David Vizard's yellow Tuning A-Series Engines book has some good information on 'torque tube' - or whatever you'd like to call it - design for the A-series. It's been many years since I've read those pages in the book, but if I remember correctly, the conclusion is pretty much that it's more bother trying to get the diameter and length sorted than it's worth for a normally aspirated engine, hence nobody uses one and I don't think the mini parts suppliers like our host, MSC, MiniSport, 7ent etc. carry such items for that reason.
Did you read KC's air filter article that I posted earlier? All that glitters isn't necessarily gold, sometimes it's just cheap crap. Yes, I know the K&N cost something - maybe you can use it on your lawnmower until you get your mini to a dyno who knows SU carbs and can sort a custom needle for you. But even then, your exhaust will be too restrictive to benefit from the K&N's better breathing characteristics, so as soon as you change the exhaust or manifold(s), you'll need another custom needle.
Assuming that you really want your mini to run properly, or even just better than it is, apply the K.I.S.S. philosophy - KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPIc! Following the advice given won't cost you diddly squat compared to chasing ricer rainbows. Save the chrome sewer pipe for your Toyota.
Buy a proper stage 1 kit - it's the foundation you'll build upon for many years to come.
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Looking at the table Jed did post of the 3 needles, they are almost identical, except for one would be a bit richer in higher rpms and the other leaner. But that should only affect emissions at higher rpms, and performance very little.
I am back to suspecting the throttle shaft or the intake snorkel.
Tony asked about whether the shaft holes in the carb body might be worn as well as the shaft. From my reading, I'd say yes, probably. I have read that installing bushing is part of the solution, but that would require machining and line-boring to make sure the new holes are aligned and the shaft does not bind. Translation: a machine shop is needed (for many of us).
Tony: if you can rattle the shaft, feeling slop between the holes and the shaft, then it is significantly worn. It does not take much to mess up performance. An old HS4 I have is slightly wobbly and was giving me problems. I'd suggest rebuilt one from our host.
Before you plunk down $$ for a new carb, try removing the snorkel and putting the stock air cleaner back on.When you remove the snorkel, make sure it was not blocking any of the 2 upper holes shown by the gasket #12 in the attached image. These provide internal breathing for the carb and it won't work properly if they are blocked.
The next issue is that the flow of air into the carb mouth must be very free-flowing without turbulence. Your snorkel from the K&N filter up toward the carb looks like it should be OK, and should provide smooth flow, but when it gets to the carb, there appears to be a dead-end pocket where the crankcase vent hose is attached, and then more internal space beyond that. That is a huge cavity that would produce eddies bad air currents that would really mess up the air flow. From my reading, there needs to be a very smooth, gentle elbow bend from the snorkel to the carb mouth, and even a smooth elbow here can cause eddies and problems. The length of the tube leading to the carb mouth can also mess up the flow, especially at higher rpm. In other words, even though you put a lot of work into is, and it looks sharp (I like how it looks) it may be the cause of your lack of power a higher rpms. My engine has a cone filter right on the carb, and on full acceleration it allows a lot of induction noise (engine roar). I have thought about making a snorkel like yours, but haven't done anything about it because I don't want to compromise the power I have. You may see them on turbo cars etc. but the airflow problem doesn't matter on a turbo because it is pressurizing the intake system and the impeller cancels out any turbulence problems.
By simply installing a full-sized K&N filter into the standard plastic air filter box, the jet typically requires re-adjusting to allow more fuel, or in most cases, the standard needle proves insufficient and must be either modified to suit the current configuration or replacement to a better suited needle.
So, if your thinking that the chrome sewer pipe and K&N will function as the factory intended, well, good luck. Your engine isn't happy with the AAC, the ADE won't be realistically any different - look at the chart and associated annular area graph. Remember, these are standard needles, to be used with standard components - air filter and air filter housing, standard exhaust, standard camshaft etc..
Once you start messing with the original, standard configuration - no matter how 'kewl' it looks, you're going to be moving away from the factory's original needle spec and oftentimes the ignition timing spec. also.
Many people enjoy successful performance enhancing modifications by installing 'known' coordinated components (example: genuine MiniSpares stage1 kit - comes with everything in a single package - complete exhaust system, air filter, intake manifold, carb needle, gaskets) - the folks that have problems are the ones who install part of the package.
Trying to do it all at once without a base-line starting point is going to require deviation from the factory original component list and also the factory original tuning specifications. In other words, one is left high and dry to figure it out.
This of course suggests that one possesses either sufficient knowledge and experience beforehand, and a willingness to accept the council of those who have gone before.
Just for fun - reinstall the plastic air filter box with an original paper air filter. Reinstall the AAC needle, adjust it and see how sweet it runs. Then, without changing the needle or it's position relative to the jet, remove the standard air filter box and re-install your chrome sewer pipe accessory. There should be a difference in performance, and not necessarily for the better.
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but i have my old points dizzy in the back of my car in case something strange happen on the elec dizzy.
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If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.
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but i heard the wider the gap the more electricity being used (????)
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If it were my mini, I'd probably split the difference in order to get it running and worry about the little things later...
Can't see how they'd alter the idle speed or timing, but OK, it's special...
All this said, it begs the question - which spark plugs were bought and installed?
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Haynes says 0.8mm which equals 0.0315 inch. The usual range for standard plugs is 0.032 to 0.036 inch
Try 0.032 inch.
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but I still need to attend to that worn throt $haft i know.
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i lifted mini today on a jack to check the balljoint, i noticed that the cone is kinda slanted, i tried to hold the cone and it is moving, i suspect it got dislodged from the donut, question is , is it easy to fuse it back to the donut? How?? Thanks...
no wondet i feel too much vibration on that side of the wheel.
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When you open the throttle, the vacuum advance relaxes, letting the timing return to the specified number of degrees, but at the same time the mechanical advance takes over, advancing the timing in relation to the speed the engine is turning. So at some point, the timing mark disappears off the scale. The scale only shows from 0 to about 12 degrees, but total mechanical advance at 4000 to 5000 rpm should be somewhere around 22 degrees - yes, way off the scale.
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but I still need to attend to that worn throt $haft i know.
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