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 Posted: Aug 24, 2015 08:21AM
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Ugh.. mine turned yellow after using WD-40. Use soapy water. 

That is one reason I use K-Y Jelly instead of soapy water or oil when installing window glass and lock strips.

i always seem to break stuff before finding out how to do stuff the right way. It's sad I know lol

 

 Posted: Aug 24, 2015 08:14AM
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Ugh.. mine turned yellow after using WD-40. Use soapy water. 

That is one reason I use K-Y Jelly instead of soapy water or oil when installing window glass and lock strips.

Doug L.
 Posted: Aug 24, 2015 05:12AM
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I replaced the rear window gasket on my 1976/91 Mini Cooper about a year ago JWakil... It definitely had the locking strip in the first place, and although it was a bear to put in from the outside with the threading hand tool, it definitely was snugger once the silver locking strip was inserted. I've since seen a trick way to install where you fit the glass AND locking strip FIRST and then you loop a cord through the channel that the car body is supposed to go into, making sure to overlap the cord ends by at least a foot, and then you present the whole assembly up to the opening in the car from the outside, tucking one corner of the inner rubber edge of the channel over the edge of the body. Then, while you hold the glass square, a helper gets inside the Mini and starts pulling on the cord in the direction running away from that corner you first started and doesn't stop until they circumnavigate the entire perimeter of the window rubber. This, when it works, pulls the short and less bulky inside flap of rubber up and over the car body edge and into the cockpit setting the window and seal and locking strip in place in one fell swoop. Getting a strong but small diameter cord that is also very slick (think nylon or waxed rope) will help with this method. And a mild solution of dish washing soap and water (like 1:10 parts) is your friend. Lightly spray the channel and the cord so the cord can slip out more easily. (Or spray the locking strip and its channel if using the tool method) And it goes without saying (but I'll say it anyway) if you take the old gasket out, peel up the headliner and inspect underneath for rust, treating anything you find. Never put a new seal over rust-bumpy metal. It's like sealing it into it's own private little "make more rust" party room.

You were lucky not to tear or distort the headliner that way. The factory way is to install the seal on the car and fit the windscreen into it. Yes they do require a locking strip.

Ugh.. mine turned yellow after using WD-40. Use soapy water. Be careful not to slip. Might hurt yourself or hurt the rubber. 

Or worse still the paint especially if it is fresh.

If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.

 Posted: Aug 23, 2015 02:05PM
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I replaced the rear window gasket on my 1976/91 Mini Cooper about a year ago JWakil... It definitely had the locking strip in the first place, and although it was a bear to put in from the outside with the threading hand tool, it definitely was snugger once the silver locking strip was inserted. I've since seen a trick way to install where you fit the glass AND locking strip FIRST and then you loop a cord through the channel that the car body is supposed to go into, making sure to overlap the cord ends by at least a foot, and then you present the whole assembly up to the opening in the car from the outside, tucking one corner of the inner rubber edge of the channel over the edge of the body. Then, while you hold the glass square, a helper gets inside the Mini and starts pulling on the cord in the direction running away from that corner you first started and doesn't stop until they circumnavigate the entire perimeter of the window rubber. This, when it works, pulls the short and less bulky inside flap of rubber up and over the car body edge and into the cockpit setting the window and seal and locking strip in place in one fell swoop. Getting a strong but small diameter cord that is also very slick (think nylon or waxed rope) will help with this method. And a mild solution of dish washing soap and water (like 1:10 parts) is your friend. Lightly spray the channel and the cord so the cord can slip out more easily. (Or spray the locking strip and its channel if using the tool method) And it goes without saying (but I'll say it anyway) if you take the old gasket out, peel up the headliner and inspect underneath for rust, treating anything you find. Never put a new seal over rust-bumpy metal. It's like sealing it into it's own private little "make more rust" party room.

You were lucky not to tear or distort the headliner that way. The factory way is to install the seal on the car and fit the windscreen into it. Yes they do require a locking strip.

Ugh.. mine turned yellow after using WD-40. Use soapy water. Be careful not to slip. Might hurt yourself or hurt the rubber. 

 

 Posted: Aug 22, 2015 06:11AM
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Possible mystery solved? With some vehicles of the 70's and up there were seals offered that did not have a place to even put a locking strip. they were solid. Now if you HAVE a groove, obviously you need that strip. But I HAVE seen both solid and strip types on the same model and year of car before. Just a thought.

 Posted: Aug 21, 2015 10:04AM
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The locking strip is used on all mini's front and rear and should be fitted no matter how tight it seems without! in the event of a shunt you could end up wearing the glass!! As to the string method, back in the 60's and 70's this was the prefered method but back then the rubbers were a lot softer and pliable, these days with the current crop of rubber being hard and unyielding the best method is fit the rubber and squeeze the glass in using a nice plastic trim tool and plenty of lube!! The locking strips are a doddle to fit with the correct tool Their not expensive to buy certainly less than the cost of a buggered seal or lockstrip anyway..........................

Mini's are like buses they come along in a bunch

 Posted: Aug 21, 2015 08:10AM
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And sadly... what may have been a good source for the non-browning lock strips 7 years ago may not get those parts from the same supplier today.  It really is the luck of the draw.

Doug L.
 Posted: Aug 21, 2015 08:02AM
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Just a crapshoot Brian they fade fast here in Florida even when garaged unless of course you can remember where you got the front one :-)

If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.

 Posted: Aug 21, 2015 07:59AM
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Related question: Has anyone found a reliable supplier/brand or a way to tell whether a chrome locking strip will turn yellow? Is it just a crap shoot? I replaced my rear one about two years ago, and it's just about turned brown. The front one has been there for more than 7 years and it's still nice and shiny. 

 Posted: Aug 21, 2015 06:59AM
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MIne was all faded and starting to crack so I replaced it with a new chrome locking strip. Local windshield/glass shop removed the old one and installed the new one for $25. Took about 15 minutes and an expert did it using the special tool. Problem solved.

If it's not Scottish....it's crap! (Cry of the Mini Tartan Owners' Clan)

 Posted: Aug 21, 2015 05:17AM
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I was around these little buggers when they were new and every one had a seal on the front and rear. I will say on an old sun drenched seal the black filler strip as apposed to the chrome one is easier to work with as it seems slightly smaller. Some of the new seals are not 100% correctly sized (like a lot of the other Mini seals) and they sometimes do require a lot of time lubrication and patience to install the filler strip without damaging it. The tool that comes with the roller attached works easier and a T handle would save the palm of your hand.

If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.

 Posted: Aug 20, 2015 08:11PM
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I think I found the issue here: my Haynes, 1969 to 2001 up to X registration, on page 11A-10 reads: "Removal and refitting of the fixed type window follows the same procedure as described for the windscreen in section 21. Note however, that the sealing rubber does not incorporate a finishing strip."

But that is under the "24 Rear quarter glass (Saloon models) - removal and refitting" section for the rear side windows and only for the fixed type, not the hinged type.

It is NOT under the "22 Rear window (Saloon and Pick-up models) - removal and refitting" section.

That section, the one I believe we are discussing, only reads "The removal and refitting procedure for the rear window and its sealing rubber is the same as described in section 21 for the windscreen."

And Section 21 reads both "carefully ease up one end of the finishing strip" as well as "pressing the finishing strip into place".

As a corroborating source (offered simply because lots of people say that the Haynes sometimes contains errant information -in fact, right on the same page Haynes advocates using the string method to get the rubber into the window aperture before sealing it with the finishing strip - a variation of a method NOT recommended in this thread), I offer..

Lindsay Porter's Guide to Purchase & DIY Restoration of the Mini - All Models, page 68, which reads "Both front and rear screens are held in rubbers which are 'spread' tight with chrome finish plastic strips"

All that said, it seems to me that if your rear window is not leaking and seems snugly in, jwakil, and there's no vibration or flex in and out when you press on it, then just leave it be!

You likely have other priorities than getting a locking strip into an older, sun-baked, no longer supple seal...

But if the rubber is still flexible, then by all means install the locking strip as was originally designed and intended.

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Which Haynes manual and where in the manual?

 Posted: Aug 20, 2015 05:47PM
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I imagine if you are careful with the string method and not use some super sharp wire, you shouldn't damage the headliner.  Thats the recommended method for my porsche.  Anyway, I find it quite a coincident that my mini has no rear locking strip and the Haynes manual says don't use the strip on the back window.  The rubber seal is quite old and seems to be original to the car, so I don't think anyone replaced it per Haynes instructions.   It has never leaked, where as the front one with the locking strip is leaking at the corners.

1992 1275 SPI Mini

1981 Porsche 911 Turbo (930)

 Posted: Aug 20, 2015 03:06PM
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Thanks for adding the warning about the headliner Malsal. I did mine WITH the tool, from the outside, so no danger to the headliner. I only stumbled on the cord method afterward in a YouTube video and thought "Wow! That could have saved me loads of time!". Obviously NOT a timesaver if you end up having to replace the headliner as well! I have learned my lesson: only post methods I have successfully used myself! :-(

The cord method is the usual way to do it with the seal on the glass first but it has a good chance of damaging the headliner on cars with the headliners overlapping the apertures.

If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
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 Posted: Aug 20, 2015 02:26PM
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The description of the gaskets on most major suppliers sites clearly state not to use the string method as it will damage the seal as well as the headliner.

 Posted: Aug 20, 2015 02:04PM
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Thanks for adding the warning about the headliner Malsal.

I did mine WITH the tool, from the outside, so no danger to the headliner.

I only stumbled on the cord method afterward in a YouTube video and thought "Wow! That could have saved me loads of time!".

Obviously NOT a timesaver if you end up having to replace the headliner as well!

I have learned my lesson: only post methods I have successfully used myself! :-(

 Posted: Aug 20, 2015 12:39PM
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Originally Posted by malsal
You were lucky not to tear or distort the headliner that way. The factory way is to install the seal on the car and fit the windscreen into it. Yes they do require a locking strip.

+1 for that.  I tried the string method on my Mk1 before I knew to fit the rubber to the body first.  I almost ruined the C-pillar covers.

As for WD-40... it will indeed work.  However, K-Y Jelley works well, is a bit more slippery, and can be washed away with soap and water.

 

Doug L.
 Posted: Aug 20, 2015 12:36PM
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I have done a few with the fillet tool.

//www.minimania.com/part/18G468/Windshield-Windscreen-Fillet-Tool

If you use WD-40 and lubricate the channel well the locking strip will go right in very easily with the tool. The WD-40 will not hurt anything.

 Posted: Aug 20, 2015 12:25PM
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Originally Posted by HopeToBuyClassicmini
I replaced the rear window gasket on my 1976/91 Mini Cooper about a year ago JWakil... It definitely had the locking strip in the first place, and although it was a bear to put in from the outside with the threading hand tool, it definitely was snugger once the silver locking strip was inserted. I've since seen a trick way to install where you fit the glass AND locking strip FIRST and then you loop a cord through the channel that the car body is supposed to go into, making sure to overlap the cord ends by at least a foot, and then you present the whole assembly up to the opening in the car from the outside, tucking one corner of the inner rubber edge of the channel over the edge of the body. Then, while you hold the glass square, a helper gets inside the Mini and starts pulling on the cord in the direction running away from that corner you first started and doesn't stop until they circumnavigate the entire perimeter of the window rubber. This, when it works, pulls the short and less bulky inside flap of rubber up and over the car body edge and into the cockpit setting the window and seal and locking strip in place in one fell swoop. Getting a strong but small diameter cord that is also very slick (think nylon or waxed rope) will help with this method. And a mild solution of dish washing soap and water (like 1:10 parts) is your friend. Lightly spray the channel and the cord so the cord can slip out more easily. (Or spray the locking strip and its channel if using the tool method) And it goes without saying (but I'll say it anyway) if you take the old gasket out, peel up the headliner and inspect underneath for rust, treating anything you find. Never put a new seal over rust-bumpy metal. It's like sealing it into it's own private little "make more rust" party room.

You were lucky not to tear or distort the headliner that way. The factory way is to install the seal on the car and fit the windscreen into it. Yes they do require a locking strip.

If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.

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