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 Posted: Feb 4, 2020 05:31AM
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also try posting your question on mostly-UK forums, e.g. the Elf/Hornet Register forum and the MK1 Performance Conversions forum and the Mk1 Mini forum and and and so on.  We had an Elf where an S and a 5 were mismatched between paperwork and plate, because in those days humans actually typed the info in manually.  
Yes, check out the Elf/Hornet groups.
We don't get much traffic on the E/H Forum these days https://elf-hornet.forumotion.com/
Mostly on the Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/30278901186/

 Posted: Feb 3, 2020 03:54PM
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also try posting your question on mostly-UK forums, e.g. the Elf/Hornet Register forum and the MK1 Performance Conversions forum and the Mk1 Mini forum and and and so on.  We had an Elf where an S and a 5 were mismatched between paperwork and plate, because in those days humans actually typed the info in manually.  

 Posted: Feb 2, 2020 03:07PM
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I would suggest you contact BMIHT and ask what they can do.  The records seem to deteriorate as time passed; Mk Is seem to be fully documented and later cars less so.  

Body numbers (if indeed that's what you have ... can you provide a picture?) are shown on (Mk I) Heritage records.  They follow a numerical sequence related to ..but exactly matching the Car/chassis number (as its identified on the Heritage Cert.  So should be easily searchable ... as would be the engine number.

Not providing certificates based on engine numbers would seem to be  a policy decision rather than a practical impossibility; its worth at least asking.

Cheers, Ian

 Posted: Feb 2, 2020 02:56PM
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The last Mk II being 930220 is one I've found in a number of places.
The change you made from 25 to 2S is often needed to get the Chassis number back to the correct number, but changing from A-A to R-A is a little unusual.
You might explain to Heritage what your number problem is and hope you get someone there in a good mood!

 Posted: Feb 2, 2020 12:34PM
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Post a picture. Maybe its a South Africa car that Cheleker could help with.

 Posted: Feb 2, 2020 07:07AM
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i realize i need a vin to get a certificate. that's why i made the post, to see if build sequence number on my title is within a plausible range for an elf with sliders and exterior hinges. if it is i'll take the chance and pay for the certificate to see if that VIN exists and matches the car. i do have the original body tag on it, so i know what that number is. don't know if that would show up on a certificate or not. 
i have also read that a few cars had the vin stamped on the RH floor pan, i'll look for that today as well as dates on the boot latch and wiper motor. 
 my last resort is to get a state issued generic VIN tag, but this involves at least a mile of red tape...i'd like to find it's real identity if i can . 
 thanks

 Posted: Feb 1, 2020 08:01PM
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With no vin, you can't get a Heritage certificate. You can't get one from the engine number. I think you're stuck with what you have.

 Posted: Feb 1, 2020 06:00PM
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thanks Kim.
 at least the sequence numbers are sorta in the range....we'll see if anybody has further thoughts!
larry

 Posted: Feb 1, 2020 05:45PM
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I know nothing about Elfs but  FWIW did check Rees 'The Complete Mini' and it says last Mk II  Elf was produced in 10/66 with # RA2S2 930220 and the MK III started with RA2S3 930221.  So 936693 should be a MkIII but would seem to be right in there and maybe Rees got the cutoff wrong?  if those two 6's were 00 you might have a winner?  Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.  Good Luck 
Kim
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 Posted: Feb 1, 2020 03:48PM
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Hi All
 trying to tidy up the paperwork on a riley elf i've had now for 14 years. my title says the VIN is AA2525936693. unfortunately, my car is missing the radiator shroud and thus the tag that that goes on it, so i don't know exactly what should be. i've spent a fair amount of time digging around the articles on the MM website about VINs,  and can speculate the VIN should more like this- RA2S2S936693. does that sound like a realistic production sequence number for a MKII car (slider windows, external hinges)? title says 1966...
If the 936693 is feasible, i'll send off for a heritage certificate and see if it comes up in their records. thanks for any input!