Do SU Carb Needles Wear Out?
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I fixed with the float valve and got it working properly, replaced the damaged fuel line, and balanced the fuel/air mixture on the carbs. After a little fiddling with the mixture and syncing the air flow between the carbs, the O2 meter is now where I want it: 13.5 to 14.0 at idle, 12.0 to 13.0 at WOT and 14.5 to 17.0 at cruising. That’s a little leaner at cruising speeds than it was. The spark plugs bare that out. When I replaced the head gasket a couple of years ago, I was surprised to see how much carbon was built up on the head and pistons. I’m thinking a slightly leaner midrange mixture might keep the carbon in check, not to mention improve my milage a bit. Thanks for the help.
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Yes, to install new throttle spindles & bushes you will need to line ream them or it's a pointless exercise.
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I was about to use carb cleaner and compressed air on the jets to blow out a possible obstruction as someone suggested. But before I did, I sprayed WD40 and brake cleaner in and around all likely places and got a slight stumble when I sprayed around the throttle shafts. I'm thinking vacuum leak now. To confirm, I bought a can of starter fluid today and am hoping to notice a dramatic change in RPM when I spray the shafts.
Craig: Are you saying that I'll need to ream the carbs to accept new shafts? I don't have any experience with precision reaming anything requiring an air-tight seal. I was hoping I could just install a rebuild kit (see pic) and call it good. No?
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Hope this helps. Others will most likely have a different opinion...
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Is the linkage between the two carbs tight and properly adjusted? Some slop may allow one of them to open at a different rate, though they'd be under (more-or-less) equal engine vacuum at a given rpm. Maybe one of them is leaning out and you might not notice a difference at the plugs because of the cross-over pipe of the manifold and/or since the lean condition is at a certain range the other ranges "cover" the indication at the plugs (a bit like plugs getting sooty if the idle mixture is rich and you let it idle too long).
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The first thing I always do with SUs it pull the suction chamber and piston and make sure everything is clean and moving properly.
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E10 is oxygenated fuel - therefore in the case of SU carbs a richer needle is often called for to utilize the extra oxygen and prevent a lean condition. If one tuned it just right for E10 then switched to alcohol-free fuel, then the reverse might take place (too-rich fuel mixture.)
It's a long shot since it seems most places in North America have long since switched to E10 fuel mixtures, but I'm not familiar with every state and county in the USA let alone North America, so I think it could be a possibility. Easy to rule out if not, anyway.
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As mentioned by others a worn needle or jet would give a rich fuel mix which is the opposite to symptoms shown by your engine.
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However, throttle shafts do wear and would allow more air into the engine. This usually upsets idle settings and I wouldn't think you could enough wear to affect cruise/acceleration settings...
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the carb piston damper (with the oil) slows the rise of the carb piston and the airway opening (the variable venturi) on pressing the accelerator pedal that is connected to the throttle butterfly downstream (engine side) of the carb variable venturi area. This allows momentary enrichment, needed for acceleration. (A) Not enough or too thin oil would allow the piston to fly up too fast, momentarily allow too much air, kill the vacuum, bog the engine by running lean. (B) The tapered needle is attached to the piston and also rises. The thinner diameter of the risen end of the needle would allow more gas through the jet orifice, but not if the car is bogging down from too fast (A) . He said WOT 12:1 and never mentioned bogging so that does not sound like a carb OIL issue.
The carb piston SPRING helps control the height of the carb piston at cruise /steady rpms and also smooths out fluctuations. Conceivably, a weakened spring would allow the piston to be higher and thus more airflow. However, the tapered needle is attached to the piston and as it (they) rise together the thinner portion of the needle would allow more gas through the orifice to match the increased airflow. These two effects operate in lockstep WHEN perfectly matched which they were at one time.
I do not know if carb springs weaken or even break over time, but with today's supply chain, anything is possible. If you do not find another answer, I would experiment. They make standard and higher strength springs, or at least formerly did. They are easy to change. I know little of your big engine but I did read that the higher strength spring may be indicated in that setting. If so, it would have been needed all along, so why now?
Clear as mud.
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maybe the carb oil needs topping off
maybe the carb piston spring has weakened (although that would make it run richer)
maybe the orifice has deposits (but that would lean out AF ratio everywhere - idle, cruise and WOT)
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I’ve got 40k miles on my Seven Enterprises built 1380 A+ motor. Since new, my A/F ratio was always in the 14:1 range on the highway and my plugs were a nice chocolate brown. Lately I’ve noticed that my A/F mixture is running overly lean at highway speeds. My wide-band O2 gauge now shows 16:1 to 18:1 on the highway and my plugs are overly white. When I go WOT the A/F ratio drops to a reasonable 12:1, but leans out again when I back off.
I’ve been richening the SUs in an attempt to bring down the A/F mixture, but then I run too rich at idle and lower RPMs. Nothing else has changed. The air cleaner has been serviced, my timing is spot on and my plugs are new. I have no vacuum leaks (that I know of).
It has occurred to me that perhaps the needle profiles have changed over time and need replacing. Is that possible? Any thoughts?
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