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 Posted: Jan 21, 2014 07:03AM
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Thanks for that - sounds fascinating. 

I notice that the company jedduh referenced recommend their product not be used on passenger vehicles.  Do we know why? - and is it just their particular product that they don't think will work???

Where do you get yours?

Cheers, IAn

 

I get mine from these guys in AZ //cfmt.biz/

They seem to have good quality beads at a good price and will split them and pack them however you want. Their site also lists truck tires, SUV, motoerbike and classic cars but not modern cars.

I have to change my answer as I contacted the garage where I buy mine and the owner Greg was kind enough to email me an answer - I have included it below with his permission

 

Thank you very much for your business. I get asked that question at least three or four times a week and it's totally understandable why it can be confusing. It is all about the tire size and the sidewall height. Truck tires, trailer tires, motorcycle tires and SUV tires most of the time have a higher sidewall with a ratio of 70 or higher. Even the old vintage cars had higher sidewall type tires.
 
Nowadays most of the cars have the low-profile shorts sidewall type tires. As you shorten the sidewall,  the tire inherits more of a left and right imbalance that the beads will not compensate for. This is called a dynamic imbalance and can only be fixed with lead weights on both the left and the right side of the wheels to counter it.  The lower or shorter the sidewall of the tire the worse this type of imbalance gets, and is why people with these type of tires have such a hard time trying to get them balanced.
If you have friends that are having a hard time with this kind of a tire they need to find a shop that has the proper “wheel balance machine” attachments to get it done properly.  A lot of shops are using old-school type cones to try to balance “lug centric” new style wheels and low side wall tires, this will not work.
 
On the higher sidewall tires a static imbalance or straight up-and-down type heavy spot, is more prevalent and the beads work fantastic to compensate for this.
 
I very much, wish they did work with low-profile tires because I could double my business overnight if they did.
 
Thank you very much for your inquiry, I hope I can help you and your friends out in the future on any tires for their trucks, trailers, motorhomes and motorcycles.
 
Greg
Flagstaff, AZ

 

here is an interesting review (from a trucking magazine) on internal balancing methods with powder and beads

//www.tirereview.com/article/89663/balance_compounds_help_make_tires_a_sound_investment.aspx

cheers

Barri

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 Posted: Jan 20, 2014 06:50PM
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Thanks for that - sounds fascinating. 

I notice that the company jedduh referenced recommend their product not be used on passenger vehicles.  Do we know why? - and is it just their particular product that they don't think will work???

Where do you get yours?

Cheers, IAn

 

 Posted: Jan 20, 2014 06:17PM
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guru, can you expand on the "used beads to balance...." comment please.

Cheers, Ian

Hi Ian

I used small ceramic beads inside the tyres instead of weights on the outside. There are lots of different types of beads on the market, I tend to avoid the stainless steel ones and the really small ones that can be put in through the valve stem as they have their own good and bad points. I started using them to get a decent balance on my MGB wheels as they are nutcentric and not many people close by do nutcentric balancing - they all try and do hubcentric and it really doesnt work on nutcentric rims. I got the MGB tyres balanced really well and started to try it on some of my other cars and my motorbike. I was most impressed and use only beads for balancing now in my older cars.

Its a bit of a bugger having to break the tire bead to install them so I bought a HF bead breaker and tire remover. Some people have a problem with fdoing it and getting it to work but I seem to have been lucky and have not yet had a problem doing my own tyres.

cheers

Barri

 

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 Posted: Jan 20, 2014 04:32PM
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guru, can you expand on the "used beads to balance...." comment please.

Cheers, Ian

I would guess- Balancing Beads

//www.counteractbalancing.com/

Used commonly in the trucking industry - ANd large oversize tires. personally  I have used balancing beads iin a minibike that would do 50 MPH , Without SHake your shoulders off.  Cheap rims. Cheap tires but wasnt worth taking to a motorcycle shop for a true tire wheel balance.  Insert beads thru valve stem - Worked like a treat.

Dont quite follow the use vs a professional shop for me when i can take sets of tires to my local AAA center- De mount - Re mount 4 rims - 40$ plus tax - includes balancing- and they know me enough to use flat stickon weights on th inside edge.

 

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guru, can you expand on the "used beads to balance...." comment please.

Cheers, Ian

 Posted: Jan 20, 2014 01:37PM
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Tireseasy.com are stocking Dunlops and others in your size Brian.

If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.

 Posted: Jan 20, 2014 12:20PM
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I bought the 12 inch ones for my MG1100 and I'm very happy with them

//www.amazon.com/Nankang-CX668-High-Performance-Tire/dp/B004QL6ONG/ref=au_as_r?ie=UTF8&Make=MG|64&Model=1100|4718&Year=1965|1965&carId=005&n=15684181&s=automotive&vehicleType=5

used beads to ballance them a first for me - I'm happy with doing that too. Mounted them myself using the $45 manual tire changer from HF.

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 Posted: Jan 20, 2014 09:42AM
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I can say they are fine tires.

  - Customers car - had rock hard old tires installed. Decided to replace all 4 for comfort of ride- Very good tire.  Quiet- and good grip.  Not a race tire- 

Can not comment on longeviity - but sould be fine   Treadwear 340 - A - A rated tire

Should be fine compared to other options out there on the market. 

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Has anyone tried the Nankang tires (These Ones)  on their car? I'm getting close to needing to replace the Yoko A539's on my car, and wondering if these are any good?