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 Posted: May 16, 2018 11:43AM
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So *hypothetically* if it was an 88 according to the ignition module and turn signal stalk where could i find a diagram for it.
Do not use the engine module as the year of manufacture as it has been changed go by the date coding i explained earlier it will maybe save a lot of re ordering of parts. Also when you fit the turn signal stalk make sure the connections under the lower dash rail are good and free of corrosion.

If in doubt, flat out . Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

 Posted: May 16, 2018 08:18AM
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Thanks Mur.  That is a nicer diagram.  The item numbers and color codes are the same but I noticed the 1000 diagram includes a fuse in the hazard circuit's brown supply wire.  I'll remember that in the future.

Doug L.
 Posted: May 16, 2018 05:43AM
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Alright so we're getting a new turn signal switch as the mechanism that turn on the high beams is broken so that when you pull the stalk back to flash the lights it works but when you push it forward to keep them on it doesnt. I took off the steering column cover and checked it out and,  sure enough the part that holds the plate that completes the circuit is broken. Im getting the correct part because i now know what year it is. Hopefully the part will also fix the turn signals but if not its definetely the flasher as everything after that in the circuit is working. Ill check the connections on the hazard switch too but the flasher doesnt make any noise so i assume its not getting power. Thanks for the help.

 Posted: May 16, 2018 05:31AM
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Doug-the Canadian Mini 1000 diagram on this site is closer to the MK IV diagrams and is an easier layout.

https://www.minimania.com/images/wiring/PDFs/wiring10.pdf

This is far far easier to read. I think the later cars tended towards the hazard switch before the flasher.

This fellow already says he has a Haynes that covers his car. He will have a correct diagram on hand.

Ultimately he will need to get a test lamp and check things. As the Blue Potatoe fellow put it recently, it is always the Hazards switch....

 Posted: May 16, 2018 03:59AM
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Lucas electromechanical flashers do not have ground wire connections.  Two wire flashers mount in series (inline) with the load (lights).  Three wire flashers also mount inline with the load with the third wire providing power to an indicator light.  You'll find both types on British cars over the years.

See the schematic in the link below.  It's for a 1275 GT with rocker switches.  It will be very representative of most 1970s Minis.
https://www.minimania.com/images/wiring/PDFs/wiring13.pdf

Towards the bottom right corner of the diagram find items 25, 26, 153, and 154.  Those items are the turn signal flasher, the turn signal switch, the hazard switch and the hazard flasher.  Note that some of the wires are shown dashed (optional or not in all applications).  Try troubleshooting using this diagram.  At the bottom of sheet 2 of the diagram you will find the wiring color code key.  The color codes did not change over the years for the Mini or other British cars.  It's a standard.  Once you can troubleshoot one British car's wiring... you can work on almost any of them.

As I mentioned before, spend some time with the wiring diagram and a multimeter looking for where the turn signal circuit loses power.  You will see that the schematic shows the turn signal circuit using a 2 wire flasher while the hazard switch uses a 3 wire flasher.  The turn signals are powered by a dark green wire.  Dark green wires are switched AND fused.  Start your troubleshooting by turning the key to the run position and checking for power on the 2 pin flasher terminal with the dark green wire.  From there, check for power on the second flasher terminal with the light-green/brown (LGN) wire.  If you still have power, go to the hazard switch.  Look for voltage on BOTH of the light-green/brown wires attached to the hazard switch.   

Remember the turn signal troubleshooting should be done with the key in the run position.  Let us know what you find.

Footnote on flasher terminals.  Power in is supplied on the "B" (battery) or "X" terminal.  The "L" terminal is the LOAD (lights).  When a third terminal is present, it is typically labeled "P"

EDIT:  Sorry.  I forgot to mention that the flasher you posted a picture of (9FL) is a 2 pin flasher.  Don't bother looking for a missing third wire.

Doug L.
 Posted: May 16, 2018 03:51AM
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If your flashers work, but not the turn signals.

 

Fuses

 

The flasher unit below the dash is for turn signals, the hazard lights one is under the hood, which you found.

Check the hazard light switch, it is a two way switch when the flashers are off the switch closes to allow turn signals, it opens when the flashers are on. If its worn or there is a bad contact, it will not let you use the turn signals.

Finally, the turn signal stalk.

Good luck!

 Posted: May 15, 2018 03:14PM
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The flashers only have two wires not three. Pop the case off and move the contacts if the lights work you know the problem or just buy a new flasher they are cheap. Another thought/option may be to use the hazard one for testing as you know that is good but D Lawson could advise more on this.

The fuse box looks fine but the cover is missing.

You need to start by seeing if you have power to the stalk and or the flasher relay with a test light or multi meter and go forward or backwards from there until you find the break.

Doug posted wiring diagrams on this thread.

If in doubt, flat out . Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

 Posted: May 15, 2018 02:16PM
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Does anything look wrong with the fuse box? There are 2 leads missing from both the front top corners and some of the fuses are pink.
All of the fusebox terminals have double spades, however not all spades are used. 

Wiring diagrams are available in the Haynes manuals - you want the "1969 to Oct 1996" version. Most likely "Wiring Diagram 18 - 1988-on carburettor models.  Note the diagrams can be cryptic and it is sometimes useful to study earlier diagrams to understand the various systems as later ones are variants of earlier ones, until you get to fuel injections versions. 

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"Hang on a minute lads....I've got a great idea."

 Posted: May 15, 2018 12:17PM
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So *hypothetically* if it was an 88 according to the ignition module and turn signal stalk where could i find a diagram for it.

 Posted: May 15, 2018 09:49AM
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The bracket is plastic so its definetely not the ground.

 Posted: May 15, 2018 09:39AM
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So no wires missing, that's good. It's common for connectors to have extra locations, means the manufacturer can stock fewer parts. The flasher unit may mount in a sheet metal clip that acts as the ground, see if you can find the clip location. Or you could test it with a temporary ground to the metal case of the flasher.

 Posted: May 15, 2018 09:38AM
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Does anything look wrong with the fuse box? There are 2 leads missing from both the front top corners and some of the fuses are pink.

 Posted: May 15, 2018 09:06AM
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There was no connection to the circle with no tab. Honestly i dont know if theres supposed to be but there is a place for a wire on the plastic bracket it mounts in.

 Posted: May 15, 2018 08:53AM
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I would but i cant find it. I think its missing the ground wire, in which case i can pretty easily make a new one. Can anyone confirm that its the ground? Both of the other wires connected to it go back to the fuse box if that helps.

 Posted: May 15, 2018 08:43AM
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Put the wire back on if you can find it, and it only has one place to go. Add a temporary ground to the can and see if it starts working, they are mechanical, and will click if it's working, lights or not. If not you need to test for power and are back to needing to know your wiring layout based on actual year. mini female spade terminals get loose over time, and should be cleaned and carefully reshaped to hold tight, some contact cleaner and dielectric grease.

 Posted: May 15, 2018 08:31AM
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I may have found the issue, this flasher is just danglimg free in the engime bay and its missing a wire. Anyone know if this is what the turn signal flasher looks like?

 Posted: May 15, 2018 03:57AM
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In general, hazards and turn signals have the following relationship.
The hazard switch has power on it all the time.  When you turn the switch on it:  Breaks power to the turn signal circuit, connects all the turn signal bulbs together, and connects the turn signal bulbs to the hazard flasher.
The turn signals only have power on them when the key is in the run position.  Power for that circuit flows through the "off" hazard switch.  When you select right or left:  power flows from the fuse box, through the hazard switch, through the turn signal flasher, then trough the turn signal switch to the left of right side of the car as selected.

Your issue is the hazards work and the turns do not.  Therefore, you need to see where in the circuit power for the turn signal is being lost.  Since you don't have left OR right signals, do not start by assuming it is the switch, it's probably power to the switch.  That power could be broken/lost at the fuse box, hazard switch, at the turn signal flasher, or any of the wires/connectors along the way.  Don't start spending money on parts until you've done some troubleshooting.

You need to determine the year of your car to get the "right" wiring diagram but in general, almost any mid to late 1970s wiring diagram is going to show the same turn signal and hazard switch wiring layout.  (Compare the hazard and turn signal circuits in several of the wiring diagrams in your Haynes).

DEB, my car (1964) was built for the Swiss market but ended up in Germany in the early-1970s before being exported the U.S.  The German tag on my car is pop riveted to the inside of the right door jam and has stamped letters.  If I remember correctly it is stamped with the VIN and the weight distribution.

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 Posted: May 15, 2018 02:55AM
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I just remembered that it doesn't make the clicking noise either when i put the turn signals on but it makes it when i put the hazards on. Is the thing that makes the noise wired into the flasher or does that narrow it down to the steering column switch?

 Posted: May 14, 2018 06:29PM
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Send me a personal email at rileydeb@bell.net. I will get you a picture of an actual German serial number panel from one of our member's cars.. Deb

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 Posted: May 14, 2018 05:32PM
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 I think i need to know what year it is to get the correct wiring diagram. Atleast thats what it sounds like. I found a haynes service manual in the back of the car for 1969 to 1996 so that narrows it down to 37 years.

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