So you can't show me that 1 case where an end-user had their property seized? 

Copyright & patent? You can't be serious. You don't copyright a vehicle in the US. You can't copyright a name or a title. There are no patents being disputed here. Design patents expire at 15 years anyway. Afaik, Moke Int'l hasn't asserted trade dress in any filings.

You are conflating two very different situations. You were the importer so, yeah, they'll take your illegally imported vehicle.

In this case Moke America is the importer and unrelated individuals are the buyer's. First, there would have to be a showing of bad faith by Moke America. Can they prove that in court? No, they actually thought they were buying the mark from someone who turned out not to own it.

The court would then look to see if these are "counterfeits" or merely a trademark violation. They are not counterfeits by any legal definition. Just a trademark violation. Again, MA believed they owned it. These aren't Chanel bags in a secret room in the back of a clothing store in South Beach.

There's a lot more case law that throws a very high bar in front of the courts when it comes to.seizure from end users. . Assuming they even had the desire to go after innocent buyers (if they did, there would have been an injunction by now), that would drag on for years in the courts and it's extremely unlikely it would be successful.

You might "want" to believe they're coming to take my Moke but the law doesn't work that way.

Moke International already won. Moke America may, in fact, be shut down. They probably won't be able to sell their remaining inventory. Nobody disputes that. Anyone can read that in the court filings.

But that's all that's there. You've added so many ridiculous details that are easily disproven. 

In your mind, hired mercenaries are descending on their headquarters as we speak and a monster truck is coming to my beach house to crush and burn my illegally VIN'd Moke and probably my children with it.

In reality, barring some sort of unlikely last minute settlement, the courts will drag it out for another 6-12 months. 

I know it's boring but can't we just stick to actual facts? 

Not off topic. It was a direct answer to your questions. Might as well remove it all then if, as you say, someone keeps coming back for the 21st time (richardflok) and keeps spouting hysteria, easily disproven nonsense, and now somehow Tucker Carlson and Trump are involved. Screws are loose.

Would be nice to have a reasonable adult conversation about the situation but it doesn't seem possible. 

Whoa! Did somebody get out of bed on the wrong side?

Off-topic flaming was what got the "Moke in Paradise"  thread removed.

Yeah Richard, you don't sound one bit like Slickmiles (Bill Cox).

I should fill out my profile. Lol, right because it really worked at keeping your multiple-ban azz off the forum.


Originally Posted by slickmiles

He insisted that Wuhu has a 1200 unit/yr production capacity (to build Mokes). 

He then scored an own goal by posting a link that shows they have enough excess capacity that they can build 5000 per year above what's committed to Moke America.

https://volibear.en.made-in-china.com/product/zXwQgYMjArRd/China-High-Speed-Electric-Beach-Car.html

He posted several times that people would be arrested, "wearing orange jump suits" and facing criminal charges.

This is a civil case. 

He further claimed that Cruise Car has been closed.

Not true.

Call them. (866) 426-6380

https://cruisecarinc.com/

Originally Posted by slickmiles

Me: "Several hysterical posts on other forums saying vins will be cancelled or they will be thrown in the crusher but that's what the internet does."

Originally Posted by slickmiles

Why am I here? As stated before, I own a Moke (as pictured) and I'm interested in what's happening.

Oddly enough, Richard Flok who just joined and put up his first post, uses the same formatting, grammer, punctuation, and insults as Slickmiles AKA Bill Cox. Coincidence? Maybe. 

Okay, what did he post that was incorrect?

"Originally Posted by slickmiles

I have to agree with richardflok on this one. (I suspect he is a long-time member posting under a "burner" login.) BC is following closely this case. He is very knowledgeable about the history of and permutations of Moke production. I suspect 25 years may be a modest estimation of his presence here. He's probably been banned at least 20 times for various infractions, often inappropriate responses to other posts that have gotten him riled up.

Allegedly: personal attacks and name-calling is a good way to get yourself banned.
Failing or refusing to fill in your profile and using an obscure login reduces your credibility significantly... you might be someone having personal gripe. Do you even own a Mini of any kind? Why are you here?

Except he's a sh*tposter and virtually everything he said was easily disproven by a simple Google search. 

I know someone that got banned here for saying left hand drive minis are not real minis (which is actually true).. people too touchy

Let him back in! He knows more about this issue than anyone! His style may not be everyone's but just let him post his personal opinions....... as they say, it's hot in the kitchen.....he'll return anyway so let him back here! Delete this if you want to - just my opinion.

Just sign up for his emails. It's like the Pottery Barn of Moke conspiracy.

It's unfortunate that after multiple chances, Bill continued to violate basic guidelines. (And I was the one who kept advocating for giving him yet another chance.)

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