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quieter without him?  more like boring and dead without him here

You're in our good books for now Allegedly. Whether you're new here or old here, nobody needs to put up with him barking at you or anyone. If he can't talk like a normal human to another and belch out incorrect facts or even correct ones in the way that he does, then that's where I agree with the direction that the powers-that-be have gone to remove him....again.

Peter, take a look at the posts by him recently. Why are saying that I'm not making nice? Does that look nice to you, by way of him? "What's up with that?", is a question right back to you. You really want to side with that? Quieter and more respectable around here without him. 

You can still see his quoted posts in my conversation with him. I'm new here. I walked right into it.

there you go not making nice. What's up with that? Maybe you should go away

What did he do this time? (I turn my back for a second...)

Now imagine if it wasn't yellow.

Interesting that someone paid basically NEW price (after buyers fee) for that USED one. 

Bye Bye again William Eugene Cox

Thank you so much!

My apologies for not stepping in sooner. I've been snowed in to my house. It's not okay to start accusing people and/or businesses of illegal activities. I'll be blocking the offender and deleting as many posts as I can find.

 Peter, it was tossed out for lack of standing and no infringement was noted.

well, that's new. Now we wait some more.

Anyway I is confused. So I pull in and wait and see what happens - hopefully soon to resolve this all.

Again, he is still at Cruise Car and mentions selling another business. Again, why does he even matter? Moke America does not have a relationship with Cruise Car anymore. You keep beating an irrelevant horse.

Do you really think they didn't find another way of getting legal VINs? If you have that information, you should contact Moke International's attorney, because neither they nor the judge in this case seem to know that. Hell, the NHTSA, various DMV's and even my insurance company seem to think my VIN is good but some guy on the internet says the VINs are bad.

Yes, they lost the ability to use the name and they'll probably have to pay legal fees and damages. You say people are facing "felony criminal charges". This is a civil case.

You made a lot of claims. Cruise Car "shuttered", not correct. Adam not there anymore, not correct. Filings demanding crushing, not correct.

You say Wuhu Voliber can only produce 1200 units? Again, not correct. This is the link YOU posted which says "5000 units/year". One should assume this does not include capacity that is already committed to Moke America.

https://volibear.en.made-in-china.com/product/zXwQgYMjArRd/China-High-Speed-Electric-Beach-Car.html

You are just posting nonsense. This thread was removed before for that reason.
 
I have zero relationship with Moke America except that I own one as a beach toy. This conversation is dragging me down and I won't spend more time with you. Let's move on. Maybe you'll be right on all of it and you can sh!tpost into the void about it when it all comes true. Thanks again.

Yes, I received your emails showing some blurry pictures and your correspondence with Adam where he concluded you don't seem stable. I don't know man, I'm at the point where I'm starting to agree with him.

 

You say the briefs include demands for vin-stripping and/or crushing. There is no mention of this in any of the filings.

You say Adam is no longer with Crusie Car. He signed an annual report for Cruise Car and filed it with the State of Florida 3 weeks ago.

You say Cruise Car is "sold and shuttered". They're open right now. Call them. (866) 426-6380 https://cruisecarinc.com/

You say Moke America has a capacity of 1200/year. Import records are public. They show far more vehicles than that being imported by Moke America. Again, I stated the 15k number (on dealer lots, in transit, and in various states of production), was a "rumor" according to a local dealer. Probably just as inaccurate as your 100/month number.

To be clear, Adam does say he "sold his business" in the email. He then signs it "Adam Sulimirski, Managing Partner Cruise Car ICON EV" so appears to refer to a different business that you had been discussing.  On that note, what does his personal involvement have to do with this anyway? Cruise Car is out of the picture so he seems irrelevant.

I don't know what to tell you. He's still there according to their annual report from 3 weeks ago. Aside from that, the rest of this seems a little "off". Nothing regarding vins, vehicle design, crushing vehicles, etc. is in any of the court filings from the last two years. Why would their attorneys just hold back and not use something like that all along? To suggest that 3 shoes are suddenly going to drop next week makes this sound like an episode of Matlock. 

According to Sunbiz, he is still there as of their last filing 3 weeks ago but I also don't know why that matters as it relates to any of this.

Got it. Thank you again for taking the time to send it.

Not really anything surprising or unexpected. Moke America is pretty much a dead man walking (and continuing to sell Mokes at my local dealership).

In the order and the brief though, there is nothing at all pertaining to vehicles that have already been sold. They only thing Moke International is currently seeking is to "permanently enjoin Moke America from further infringement of Moke International's mark".


The unknowns are:

1. What happens to Moke America?
Appears to depend on how Moke International & Moke USA want to handle it. There are so many options for Moke International.

They could allow Moke America to license the name and settle for some amount of money. This would be quick and easy with instant revenue and no disruption to the business or current owners. If calm business sense prevails, this would not alienate current fans/owners that don't even understand this and it prevents total confusion in the market. This seems not very likely given their next option.

They could shut down Moke America and take over the production which would be minimal considering these are just imported Chokes that get a vin and some compliance equipment. Moke America was having Cruise Car do this before and Moke International could either go back to using them or just do it in-house. As a reminder, Moke USA already does this albeit on a very small scale with pitiful unit sales and a lesser product. Most likely IMO. Hopefully they improve their version of the e-Moke before they do it because that thing is a dud.

Moke International could just shut it all down altogether and give up a lucrative and highly profitable market. Moke International would then only sell their ~300 street-legal Mokes, for about $13 million a year in revenue,under the replica act. Unlikely since it leaves a ton of free money on the table.


2. What happens to Moke America's current inventory?
Rumor is that they own 15k units ($375 million worth) in various stages of conversion, in transit, and on dealer lots. Assuming there will be damages owed to Moke International, this is certainly the biggest asset to go after. Would the courts or Moke International really otherwise demand that they be crushed? Maybe but that would be silly on Moke International's part.


3. What happens to Moke America current owners?
Again, why would Moke International want to abandon this market. They require batteries, maintenance, accessories, and repairs. It's a business opportunity for Moke International to step in and sell parts and service to these owners. If they don't someone could/should.

 

4. What happens to dealers?
Who cares. Kinda. I'm sure something can be worked out that benefits Moke International. The real unknown here is that, if things don't go as mentioned above, this may be the only place Moke America's current owners can seek compensation. My local dealer, for example, also sells other vehicles. You know they knew about this and sold the Mokes anyway without disclosure. They are, in fact, still selling them today. I'm sure they have it set up as a separate company but sales people are shared, f&i people are shared, service techs are shared... a good law firm could argue that there was some commingling and current owners could get a settlement check for $8 in about 4 years.

5. Could Moke America just come back with a new name on the same vehicle?

That would be hilarious. If they can somehow get back off the mat after legal fess and damages. The design of the vehicle is not trademarked.   

 

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