The first intake flanges should be here this week.You will have to fab up your own manifold.I am using ITB's off a snowmoble.I am making the alt. mount but if there is any interest I may have them waterjet cut.It looks like the 1" thick flange in 6061 will be 60.00 plus shipping.They cut me a sample in thin aluminum and it fit great.

Jack

I'm all for a subframe kit for the geo driveline. As long as a few criteria are met:

1. Keep the cost low. There are already EXPENSIVE SWAPS for people with lots of cash. This car is screaming for a poor mans swap.....LET IT BE DONE!

2. This is more or less related to #1. Make the frame utilize the factory stuff like suspension etc. to keep the build cost down. People like me, if I am ever in a position to do a swap like this, will be doing a factory economy swap, no turbo.

3. I know I will hear groans when I say this, but I am gonna say it anyway.....build a subby for an AUTOMATIC. Dont leave out those of us with limitations. And YES, this can be done.......

 

My 2 cents. And thanks meetthespeakers for the resolve to do something.

These lil engines are supposed to be rev-friendly - my eventual plan is to do NA throttle bodies & megasquirt - early heads are supposed to be better flo-wize and easy to get prepped from superf1y on TeamSwift (no relation) - if anyone runs into a picture of the 96 & later crank sensor, I'd like to see - I haven't found any pics and I may have a later block in the pile, just don't know what to look for. First, I'll just do a normal FI G10 for fit up without bulkhead & slampanel interference and to see if I can get the G10 Turbo to lay in right also (combo 3 cyl subby) & to see how it goes with the normal G10. I have a 3 cyl turbo in a roundnose now where the turbo sticks out quite a bit, I've seen the turbo behind the grille which is my goal. I want to get my Turbo running to try but way more interested in fuel injected naturally aspirated. I plan on having a jig so I can do others & fitup engine on a bench before installing or people can borrow. I'd be interested in one of the mainfold flanges in aluminum & alternator relocation bracket. I too am interested in an MPG-focused swap (without carb & 100% fuel injected) as well as a performance one . 16vMini has hybrid Mini subbies with fabricated engine cradles built into a cutdown Mini subframe & 100% fabricated subframes with no Mini components - 99% use Mini swivel hubs however.

Minsuki, I did recieve your email. Thanks, I have been stuck at work for 2 weeks straight now doing 12-15 hour shifts. I have 2 more weeks to go. Anyway after that I should be moving along with phase 1. Talk to you soon.

Hey MTS,did you get the pics i sent you of my frame project. Minsuki.

Jack, shoot me an email. Don't see you have any contact info on your profile. Thanks, sounds cool, curious how the intake flange has a mount for the alternator?

When you are ready let me know I have a waterjet intake manifold flange with a mount for the alt.

I am also having g10 exhust flanges waterjet cut.

Jack

Originally we were looking into just getting the Chevy Sprint G10T, but due to the low production, and being gone now for 20 years, they are a little tough to source. Not that they can't be found, but since we are going to be doing multiport injection, mega squirt, and a custom turbo/manifold/throttlebody anyway we figured we would start off with a NA G10. Also offers the choice of fitting a NA, and then being able to upgrade to a bolt on turbo kit later. Looking into a 96+ G10 that already has a crank position sensor/pulley... Anyway, the wheels are turning. Should start in Feb. I can't wait.

found 2 complete G10T engines for sale, so far up north its not even funny...

www.16vminiclub.com

 

Definitely join that site! Those guys are great for swaps!!!

Helped me on my D16 swap!

 

Don't know if this is going to work but i forwarded this to a guy a few years ago to put up the website this is how it all started www.hybrid-mini.co.uk/suzuki/suzuki.htm cheers Minsuki

Attached is a picture of Chucks frame. Hope he doesn't mind, but I found that off of 16v from the guy that helped him put together the frame.

Minsuki, please send me some pictures if you could, that would be great! So you live on the Eastern shore? I def remember meeting you. Funny enough I will be moving to Arnold this Spring, god willing, if I can sell my house here. We would be building the frame kit out of Laurel, MD most likely.

Vintagevespa, unfortunetly while there has been probably 3-6 of these particular builds, no one has seemed to document them. I am in works of developing a bolt on frame kit so you can drop in a NA G10 or G10 turbo. There is no one currently making a frame conversion, so everyone that has done it has made a custom one.

Anyway, here is a picture of another 3 cyl swap with turbo.... something to think about, super clean, not to intrusive, looks almost at home in there.

im just curious of cost for this swap in comparison to others. are you stuck fabricating your own sub frame or someone out there that makes a legitimate one? any threads out there (here at MM or elsewhere) that has a build thread or something with lots of info to view for interested individuals?

Yes it's me MTS,i live over on Marylands eastern shore.As for the engine management i am still using the stock ecu and the complete wiring harness out of the Sprint,including all switches speedo assy, it all fits well because of the size of both cars.I may have some pics but i have never posted to the website so i may have email to you.there is a company called Simple Digital Systems that makes a stand alone setup for this engine when used in small aircraft it uses a crank trigger and individual coils map sensor as opposed to mass air flow meter. Kind of expensive but if you want more power then it's the way to go.

Cheers Minsuki.

There will always be interest in swaps for our wee beasties. Teh important thingis the cost.

The Neiman Marcus approach - price high sell to a few or the Walmart approach, price low and sell a lot. That is the bone of contention.

Curious, did you guys go with Megasquirt, or just retained the factory ecu? Any pictures Minsuki of your setup. I tried digging around here and 16v and came up with nothing. Would love to take a gander. Not sure if you are the same guy, but I could of sworn I meet you at the Miniswap meet at Larry house in Woodbridge last year, or year before. I can't imagine there would be to many other people running around with the Suzuki swap.

Hi Mehmeh,yes i sure was. The problem with the 3 cyl is the turbo sticks straight out because of the exhaust manifold if you were to redesign that part i think you could get it to fit a whole lot better.I actually modified the grille to cover the turbo and it worked quite well,i'll see if i have a pic of it for you. Cheers Minsuki.

FOR AXLES I USED THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION ONES WITH THE 5 SPEED INTERMEDIATE AXLE BECAUSE THEY ARE SHORTER. I THINK  ABOUT 1 1/2 INCHES ON EACH SIDE. IT BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE I DID IT SO MEASURE CAREFULLY.

I am just starting a G10 swap into my pickup.  Here are a few interesting points that have not been mentioned.  First, the 3 cylinder that came in the Chevy Sprint(85 to 88) in the US, had an electronic carb with an ECU. This is the all time, highest fuel economy engine, ever sold in the USA.  I used to get over 60 MPG in my 85 Sprint.  The Geo metro later version of the same engine block, had FI and a completely different head design. In my experience, these were not as fuel efficient, My 91 got a best of 48 MPG, but still great compared to most cars.  I am using the early motor for my swap, with the better fuel efficiency, in an attempt to get 75 MPG in my Mini truck.  With tuning, no smog restrictions, and a good header and exhaust system, it should make 55 to 60 HP; sufficient for towing a very light "Goose neck" style trailer with my Honda powered Mini on it. 

  I would like to add that the Sprint Diff ratio is too short for use with 10 wheels, (4.11) with the 5th gear ratio around .780.  The fix is to use a later G13 single cam 4 cylinder tranny, which bolts right up.  It has a 3.52 Diff gear, which works out much better with the small tires.  The tranny mounts on the G13 are also in a better location for the swap, in my opinion.   Not that it helps much, but interestingly, the Mini CVs and the Sprint CVs have the same spline on the outer ends. Theoretically, they wil fit right into a Mini CV joint, using the Mini bearing star on the Suzuki axle.  Of course the lengths will not be right.  I will probably just shorten the suzuki axles, by cutting and splicing, with a split sleeve welded back together over the splice, to add strength and contain any possible internal break.

  I believe this swap would be a great way to relieve the pain of the comming fuel prices, as well as adding the reliability ingredient lacking in the "A" series power train, not to mention having that 5th gear that I am always looking for, when I drive a Mini on the freeway.  Saving an extra 120 pounds won't hurt either.  

I too,  have considered making a kit out of it, as I think it would far out-sell our VTEC conversion, on it's practical merrits alone, but I am already burning my candle at both ends, so will have to let this one go to someone younger, with more steam left.  So, whoever it is, do a nice job, don't take short cuts, and you will sell plenty. the carbureted Sprints are getting hard to find, but there are still a gang of Geo donor cars around.